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Dec 30, 2008 11:17:40 GMT -5
Post by KG on Dec 30, 2008 11:17:40 GMT -5
It depends on how you define defeat, but in general Sophia, and Demurge are immortal. All souls are immortal for that matter. If we are apparently killed we still return. As long as one doens't give up, there is no lastling defeat, and we can't afford to give up. If you read the story on the link then you know that Demurge has had victory over us on this plane before, at least in some ways. He's killed us before physically. We just come back stronger and more determined. I have found that fighting him on the physical plain with violence does not really work well... but historically speaking we have been forced to. On the physical plain we can loose, but I do not consider real defeat a posibility. In order for a war to be over, someone has to surrender, and we will not.
Sophia started out very passive, and gentle. I started out as Mercy incarnate. What I fear more than defeat is becoming like him, by fighting him. Fighting fire with fire, just makes more fire, and it burns both sides. It creates a bitterness, that isn't healthy. War takes its toll but if we don't fight back on the spiritual realm, then the world gets out of balance towards his way of thinking and we cannot operate in that environment. Eventually if it goes far enough that way, innocent people start being myartared... especially us., and our loved ones. We have to resist, but at the same time we do have to be careful about letting the war make us bitter.
Shrugs... I suppose he is involved. Jesus is. Jesus himself limited the power of Demurge immediately after his crusifixion. There are many angels named Michael so, honestly I am not sure if any of the ones I've seen are THE Michael, but I am sure he is involved. The light of God himself is definitely on our side, but he won't destroy Demurge... I don't think he does that, and he is the only one who could.
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Dec 30, 2008 20:03:38 GMT -5
Post by cassiel on Dec 30, 2008 20:03:38 GMT -5
So in your perception the greater picture for which you are apart of, shall never be extinguished.
So tell me of Michael, what is your perception of him?
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Dec 30, 2008 23:09:07 GMT -5
Post by KG on Dec 30, 2008 23:09:07 GMT -5
That's right... I mean maybe when the world totally ends... IDK. It is likely to continue forever. It is a balance some say, but it is a balance I am personally involved in.
I don't really know Michael. I don't really have an opinion of him other than he is probably very cool. Some refer to him as the angel of the Lord. Most of the angels I deal with are obscure, and not preticularly high ranking. Many of the fallen have returned, both great and unknown. I know a lot of those. Angels are a lot like humans in that there are a lot more unknown than famous ones. Angels come in all sizes too, and size doesn't necessarily indicate rank or power. The angel who is like a father to me is named Gheb. His name means manly strength in Hebrew, and he is an amazing looking fellow. He has huge white wings and a body that would send Arnold Swartzenager scurrying back to the gym in shame. He is huge, in the chest and shoulders. He is very tall. His body is bronze and he is a blond. I have also seen red heads and brunettes. I know a group of hispanic looking angels also. They are a smaller than Gheb, who's features are more northern European. Gheb doesn't wear a lot of clothing, just a spiral of cloth that drapes his shoulder, and then wraps around his waist. I once saw an angel wearing a very elaborate costume though. He had a gold sash, and some brocaded borders on his white robe. He hovered in the air, and his robe hung way down below his feet, as it he was never intended to stand on the ground... It was beautiful and his aura was impressive. He was small and almost frail looking though. I gather he was high ranking. I only saw him once but I was impressed with his suit. LOL
Angels are a diverse group. Some have white wings, some have a silver accent in their white wings, Others have gray wings, and some have black wings. My hispanic angels have black wings with crimson highlights. About a half dozen of those are female. The rest of their army of 200 are male. I see some female angels, but it seems like most of the ones I see are male.
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Dec 31, 2008 4:17:00 GMT -5
Post by cassiel on Dec 31, 2008 4:17:00 GMT -5
If as of this day today, if Michael and Lucifer were to meet, which would overcome the other in battle?
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Dec 31, 2008 12:36:59 GMT -5
Post by KG on Dec 31, 2008 12:36:59 GMT -5
I don't know because it usually isn't done that way. A single angel going up against Demurge? Still Michael I gather isn't your average angel. I would not want Gheb to go up against him alone, nor would I want to go against him alone. Though neither one of us would likely retreat. We just aren't built that way.
Demurge is tricky, and not without power. God would be on Michael's side though, and Michael follows orders. Michael would probably be instructed to avoid direct and lone battle with Demurge, because if such opportunity arose, it would probably be a trap. Plus , it just isn't done like that. If it did happen though my guess is that God himself would empower Michael to win, like a David and Goliath senerio, God would intervene and make sure Michael won, just as God does for me when I am outmatched. It is a faith thing, and faith alone would preserve Miachel, and make him victorious, all other abilities aside.
The early accounts of Sophia's fights with Demurge, in the Pistis Sophia, and other Gnostic texts say that Sophia was drawn to the light of God, and that she left her post in the lower heavens, and went to seek the light she could see coming from God's storehouse of light. Demurge though stormed down to earth, and set up a light here, and at that time the earth was in Chaos. He caused Sophia to get turned around while he flew by her. She crashed to earth and miscarried... at least according to most translations, she was pregnant and her unborn fetus was yet unformed. He stole the afterbirth, and unborn unformed material of the body to make... er... something, which caused the existance on earth to change from so called chaos, into physical existance. or at least that is the way I understand it. The way I understand it his work was not to make Trees, and Men, and animals, it only solidified them into an unnatural state, and that is a Cathar belief, that we are unnaturally trapped in Tunics of flesh, by Demurge, which they simply called Satan, to avoid confusion. Demurge chased Sophia around and she ran from him. She was afraid of him, because he is so vicious, but she prayed to God and he gave her a crown of light which was so bright that it repelled and frightened Demurge. He has given her many crowns of light over the years.
Now this part is not recorded as clearly as the rest, but at some point Sophia multiply incarnated, and either created the souls of many women to house different aspects of her. Because he was chasing her, this kept him busy, eventually she had over 5000 daughters which are incarnations of aspects of herself, and her sisters also came to aid her, and they too had daughters. It is these daughters who have been pictured as Madonnas over the years.
Christ at the point of his death on the cross, according to the Pistis Sophia, went after Demurge. He thorougly intimidated him in his own lower heaven, and took most of his power. Before then Demurge was infinitely powerful. Now he is weaker, but he is still powerful. Christ started the Fall of Demurge, but Demurge is still in the process of falling. He is not so easily taken down.
I suspect that Demurge not Lucifer who was the Satan of the book of Job. It fits better that God would converse with Demurge than Lucifer after his fall. Lucifer chating and wagering in a friendly way with God really makes no sense at all.
I only know from experience, what usually happens. The Sophians usually do battle with Demurge. Our angels fight his angels, from above, and if they get the chance they fire on Demurge from a safe distance, using ranged attacks. WE all use ranged attacks in battle and no one gets up close, at least till Demurge is very worn down.
Sophia's battles with Demurge are very formal and planned. All the thousands of Sophians, fight Demurge. In addition there are starters and finishers. Some Sophians form the initial attack. Then some including myself come in towards the end, and actually defeat and ceremonially kill him... of course like any spiritual entity he doesn't stay dead, he just falls fruther down, and each battle weakens him.
I can give you the details of a key and recent battle which occured several years ago. First there was a pre battle, in which I was brought in to the front, after the battle had been engaged. The beginning attacks are psi attacks, so that Demurge's attack is felt by all of us equally, and our own fire from our third eyes strike him like a flame thrower. Demurge was defeated soon after I arived, and he retreated. I and several of the women on the front, started to chase after him, and Jesus himself said, let him go. WE will negotiate that he stop his activities. That is all we want, for him to stop this. We will give him a chance.
Apparently though he continued to cause problems on the physical plain which he is lord of. From this we get scriptures like, Satan is lord of this world. He is lord of the material plain. Lucifer obviously isn't. There is no historical reason for him to be. It was Demurge who made this plain solid in this unnatural way, and unlike all the astral realms, and spiriutal plains. He invented decay and physical death. I associate this occurance to be synonomous with the curse that Adam and Eve recieved when they ate the apple. Lucifer was the temptor, I gather, and God saw it, but it was Demurge who created the whole sweat of the brow curse, probably as part of a bargin, like the one where Job was tormented. There are many forms of this story, but the one in the bible conceals Demurge, and justifies him. Many do not.
Now in the actual battle I was held back for many days. I saw the battle raging in heaven, in the skys above. Our angels struggled with his angels, in the air, aiding the ground battle whenever possible. Demurge faced thousands of Sophians nearly alone, and he was a match for them. He held off my sisters for days.
Early on, many of Demurge's angels, just sort of deliberately fainted, and they curled up in a ball and fell onto my area of Sophian heaven. It was their form of defecting from Demurge's control. He proudly disowned them, and we took them in and aided them... some of them were injured a little, but most were fine. They went to what we call big heaven for reassignment under the mothers and during this time their sencerity was tested. It was clear that they wanted to join Sophia, and were eager to leave Demurge, so that was allowed.
Now it had been decided or prophecied, that I would strike the killing blow, but I knew nothing of that at the time, yet that was my intention, if no one else did, and Christ allowed it. I had recently come into full conscious awareness of who he was, and what he had done, both in modern times, and in the past. Most Sophians do not understand consciously what we are even doing, and many of them are influenced by Demurge in their physical lives... I was too for a time. I mean he slips so easily into our churches, our politics and our culture, but I had always been repulsed by large doses of him, because of that subconscious memory of being a Cathar. It was not active in my conscious mind always, I only knew that I felt very hostile, towards what my teacher called, 'a religious spirit'. Actually it was much more comfortable thinking of him as a demonic spirit, than as an Aeon, because he has always been my enemy.
Eventually I enjoined the battle, and During the battle a little clan of about two hundred renagade angels came in and attacked the Demurge directly. It wasn't part of our planned battle stratagy since we didn't know them at all. They were weak against him, but fought agressively and distracted him considerably, since they flew at him so bravely. It was then that I had the opportunity to strike the killing blow... I don't know if it was chance, or selection, or if I was selected by ability or position, or if it is just attitude, but for some reason Mercy was the attribute who was able to defeat him. As I said killing doesn't put an end to him. His death is very temporary, even if you completely destroy the body, which we did. It doesn't matter in that he comes back. But it does matter to his status and power. It takes a good while for him to regroup following a total defeat like that. It effects things here on earth considerabely also.
The renegade black winged angels joined us, as did the thouands of white winged angels who feinted during the battle. It was a decisive victory, after which some of the angels exclaimed that Demurge had fallen fruther than Lucifer. I don't know if that is accurate, but I do know he lost power at the time and continues to loose his influential hold on the world.
It is because Demurge's very existance has been hidden that I tell you these things, and not to take pride in our victory, though I admit that part of me does. I also know that my part in that battle was foolhearty and that he does hold a grudge. It worked out that my behavior was completely instinctive to defend the black winged angels. I was not morally opposed to finish him, nor was I afraid... I am one of those fools who rushes in where most angels fear to tread usually. LOL But the final act was to protect the brave little angels, who were way outmatched, and were taking a pounding.
Now they are stronger, because we have been feeding them, but they were obviously on their last legs when they attacked. Renegade angels without a source of power other than themselves tend to weaken quickly unless they re-align with something, and yet they attacked in their weakened state to aid in destroying the Demurge. I was not inclined to let him harm them. I very foolheartedly rushed in and hit him with a sword, and took many blows from him that should have killed me, but for some reason I was unharmed. I refused to acknowledge his powerful counter attacks, and went in for the death blow, even as the dark angels dive bombed him like feathered kamakazies.
They agreed to sign on under me directly because they were mistrustful of even the mothers after their experience with the Demurge. He had become very cruel and they were late to leave compared to most renegades. They trusted me because I protected them, and they knew I hated what Demurge does.
I was humbled by their request, and would have turned down their offer had it not been that it was the only way they would join us, and they obviously needed us. I talked to Gheb and Sophia at length before accepting them. I didn't feel fit to lead angels. I have always served with them, along side with little thought of rank. My new dark wings had their wings changed to have red highlights to match my colors which are black and red. There are two hundred of them, and they are the hispanic looking angels which I told you about earlier. They have been loyal helpers to me ever since. I don't order them around or anything, and I generally take orders from Gheb, though he gets them from Sophia. I think mostly he just hears and understands her better. Overall I take orders a lot more than I give them, and we all mostly just do what has to be done.
The mothers don't stand on rank that much anyway, so it isn't a matter of one lording it over the other. We work things out in committies and meetings. No one is greater than the other.
Sophia herself is suprising in appearance. Her face shifts or morphs between all the incarnate lesser Sophians, so that she is constantly changing from brown to black to white, to asian. It is amazing to look at her, and see the faces of my sisters, and even my own cross hers only to morph quickly into another face. She is a composite of us all, but also has her own personality. She is witty, humerous, and affectionate. She has a great sense of humor. She tends to preen her angels and arange her daughters' hair and clothing. She tends to want to comb us all the time, and she tugs at our cloaks to get them just right, as if she were a physical mom, preparing her children for an outing. She is very loving, and not at all controling of us.
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Dec 31, 2008 13:14:52 GMT -5
Post by Kata Samoes on Dec 31, 2008 13:14:52 GMT -5
If as of this day today, if Michael and Lucifer were to meet, which would overcome the other in battle? Disappointing of one whom aligns himself with the wisdom of Cassiel, you seem to stray. Praising the Fallen Demon Lucifer, former Angel and right hand of Yahweh, and insulting the Archangel, Guardian Angel, Michael? Disappointing indeed. Michael is not so arrogant to risk his safety and health to an underhanding battle.
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Dec 31, 2008 17:13:54 GMT -5
Post by cassiel on Dec 31, 2008 17:13:54 GMT -5
If as of this day today, if Michael and Lucifer were to meet, which would overcome the other in battle? Disappointing of one whom aligns himself with the wisdom of Cassiel, you seem to stray. Praising the Fallen Demon Lucifer, former Angel and right hand of Yahweh, and insulting the Archangel, Guardian Angel, Michael? Disappointing indeed. Michael is not so arrogant to risk his safety and health to an underhanding battle. I've praised Lucifer? Angels and demons, I didn't know there was a difference. The former right hand? I was unaware he no longer was the right hand.
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Dec 31, 2008 19:44:10 GMT -5
Post by KG on Dec 31, 2008 19:44:10 GMT -5
Ooops I didn't answer the question exactly I just feel the answer to that is obvious, since Lucifer and Michael have crossed swords before. I don't think the outcome now would be different from then. I think my mind just went to a more relavant question in my own mind, but I forgot to post an opinion on the original question. For the record though, I don't think Michael would have much trouble beating Lucifer again, if it were necessary. He's already done it once, and there is no reason for him to do it again at the moment. I think he proved his point the first time. Depending on your interpretation of the scriptures it may come up again in the future, but right now, it is a not likely to be an issue, since Lucifer has been so quiet. Overall much too much has been made of Lucifer, and his fall. He has become a catch all for all adversaries of God, and all that is benevolent, and he is simply not all that. Satan mearly means adversary, and could mean anyone who stands in the way of the cause so to speak. Anyone could be a Satan if they got in the way of God on purpose. In my opinion Demurge fits into more scriptures as Satan, than Lucifer does, and there are many other beings refered to as Devils, Spirits and Demons. I agree that it is a strange set of questions Kata, but I thought she was more curious than praising, though she does seem overly impressed by his supposed abilities. She seems much more interested in Lucifer, than the entities I actually know a lot about, and maybe you could field her questions better than I. I really don't know the guy personally. I think her questions are academic, and based on things she has read, and not on experience though I could be wrong. It seems to be an intelectual question with her. She doesn't seem to take this as litterally as we do. She may also be a testing me, which may go either way. I am just myself and I am both wise and foolish, so that she could draw either conclusion and be right. I am just being honest, and being myself so that she CAN consider the source of the information she gets. I don't think you have praised him so much as bought into the story of how powerful he is. People have always been facinated by that story, but despite all the bad press there is worse out there than him. By that I don't mean he is a nice guy, just not that huge a deal in the grand scheme, as far as I know. Here is a post that will explain about Demons, and they aren't angels. spiritsense.proboards76.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=otherkin&thread=139As for Fallen Angels and Angels it is all a matter of attitude, and alegence.
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Dec 31, 2008 23:43:03 GMT -5
Post by cassiel on Dec 31, 2008 23:43:03 GMT -5
From the many text I have read and researched, the majority do proclaim "Michael" overcoming "Lucifer" in combat during the peak of the siege.
However there have also been text I have read where it depicts the story as Lucifer and Michael engaging in combat, and Lucifer overcomes Michael.
As Lucifer's forces were waning and feeling the effect of prolonged combat against larger numbers, the battle turned from Lucifer on the offense to Lucifer and the remnant of his forces being pursued and hunted. During the peak of the siege on Lucifer and his forces, which the text describes as taking place where the ground was scorched and fire was free and alive beneath them. At some point during the siege, the two were separated from the other host and their battle was isolated from all others. The text then goes to tell that during this time of isolation, Lucifer overcame Michael in combat, and that Lucifer then used Michael's fallen remains as a mask, a vessel so to speak, Lucifer goes missing shortly after, Michael emerges shortly after the battle victorious and is welcomed back into the many halls and planes of upper reality.
I also find it interesting, how towards the end of the war when Heaven was pursuing Lucifer and what was left of his forces as they were fleeing, that heaven then offered those they captured the opportunity to repent and be "welcomed back". In contrast during the beginning of the war when the "outcome" was not yet as clear, the captives were executed rather on sight, rather they were not viewed as captives, but as dangerous enemies temporarily incapacitated.
Ah I see, I was using the improper vocabulary, I meant to reference to angels and fallen angels, not angels and demons.
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Jan 1, 2009 1:40:47 GMT -5
Post by Xavrael on Jan 1, 2009 1:40:47 GMT -5
The captives were never executed. They *were* bound however. The most important thing to understand and keep in mind is that there was a great betrayal on Lucifer's part.
He may have thought that what he was doing was for a greater good but in his hubris he forgot to think of the consequences of his actions.
We are all brothers and sisters. And the feeling hurts no less than it would for a human who is attacked by their siblings.
emotions run incredibly high, threatening to immolate most around, but in the end, objectivity could still be maintained. While those who chose to fall continued to antagonize, bait and draw some into skirmishes, many did not in fact go out of their way to hunt them down (with the exception of myself and a few others, which had consequences of their own).
and while it was...war - certain virtues were never abandoned. Otherwise we would have ended up being just the same as our fallen brethren.
As for the battle in isolation - Michael was never overcome. Lucifer was cunning but in the end, the battle was not finished. Michael was called, and lucifer had to get away from the the hosts of heaven. So he did manage to slip away looking as Michael.
That is my opinion on that subject, and it cant really be much more than that as i am going off of inclinations and feelings heh.
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Jan 1, 2009 1:46:06 GMT -5
Post by cassiel on Jan 1, 2009 1:46:06 GMT -5
This is more akin to what I have read from certain books, that Lucifer was never defeated in combat with Michael, I suppose what you say could have also occurred. Which could explain why in some text that I have read it says post to that battle Lucifer wore Michael as a mask, would explain how he escaped from the host of heaven which were pursuing him, and also explain how Michael was welcomed back into heaven.
I wonder how Lucifer felt, the emotion he experienced, if he indeed was following a bigger plan, that no one knew of, only he and the "creator". How it feels to take aggression against your brethren when you know it is needed to be done, some conflicting emotions I would imagine, knowing it would invoke feelings of hate and drear towards him. Being disconnected and out cast from all others except for the "creator".
What if he didn't think what he was doing was for the greater good, what if good and evil, right and wrong, did not exist to Lucifer, and what he was doing, what he did, was based on his "relationship" to the "creator"? In that what he did, was done in "alignment" with the "creator"?
Do you also ever ponder the significance of the location where that battle which took place? When Michael and the host were taking siege to Lucifer and the remnant of his forces at that location?
You knew Lucifer? You personally hunted him and his followers?
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Jan 1, 2009 2:07:34 GMT -5
Post by Xavrael on Jan 1, 2009 2:07:34 GMT -5
I took a vested interest in a few very close individuals that were harmed greatly by Lucifer and his actions. For the wrong reasons, i followed, and for those same wrong reasons, i did things that i'm glad i cannot remember completely. I still remember feelings attached to those vague memories and what those feelings imply.
Needless to say, according to some others who i've ran across trying to learn more and try to see if i could dredge more inky memories to the surface, one of the, "demons" i spoke to refered to me as, "Butcher" which true or not, the idea still hovers over my head ominously. Not something I would be proud of at all.
So did I? feelings point to yes. very old memories i had written down at one point (cant for the life of me remember if i kept those notes) implied such. and considering my repulsion to Lucifer, i find it strange that i would dream of a moment where he asked me to join him in his venture.
long time ago. I suppose what is done is done.
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As for the location, I can't say that i have. It wasn't something at the forefront of my mind then, so it's not something I remember now unfortunately.
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Jan 1, 2009 2:09:15 GMT -5
Post by Xavrael on Jan 1, 2009 2:09:15 GMT -5
(sorry for the double post but question arose after i had already posted heh -)
Where did you see the idea of lucifer using Michael's fallen body as a mask anyway?
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Jan 1, 2009 2:10:36 GMT -5
Post by cassiel on Jan 1, 2009 2:10:36 GMT -5
I took a vested interest in a few very close individuals that were harmed greatly by Lucifer and his actions. For the wrong reasons, i followed, and for those same wrong reasons, i did things that i'm glad i cannot remember completely. I still remember feelings attached to those vague memories and what those feelings imply. Needless to say, according to some others who i've ran across trying to learn more and try to see if i could dredge more inky memories to the surface, one of the, "demons" i spoke to refered to me as, "Butcher" which true or not, the idea still hovers over my head ominously. Not something I would be proud of at all. So did I? feelings point to yes. very old memories i had written down at one point (cant for the life of me remember if i kept those notes) implied such. and considering my repulsion to Lucifer, i find it strange that i would dream of a moment where he asked me to join him in his venture. long time ago. I suppose what is done is done. ----------------------------------- As for the location, I can't say that i have. It wasn't something at the forefront of my mind then, so it's not something I remember now unfortunately. Sounds like you are a very "old" individual, can only ponder if you remember Lucifer, if Lucifer remembers you. Lucifer asked you to join him? Likely must of known you would decline, then again I base my assumptions off the text I have researched which base the story that Lucifer was walking with the "creator" in a way no one else knew. I've read many text and books during my time, as well as studied with many colleagues on the topics of man made allegories, such as gods and goddesses, Greek, Egyptian, catholic, and so on. I find them fascinating, how people use such figures as Zeus, Lucifer, etc. to pour their emotion and feelings into, to use as a medium for masses of others to analyze and reflect upon. The particular of Lucifer using Michael's remains as a mask after the battle I read in several text, not all the same wording, but same concept and expressed idea. If I still had the books or bookmarks I would share them, but I misplaced those some time ago. That Michael and his host were laying siege to one of Lucifer's last strongholds I suppose where he and the majority of his remnant were located. During the siege Michael and Lucifer engaged in combat with one another, at some point these two became seperated from the rest of the host. Lucifer overcame Michael in combat, Lucifer with the "time" he had remaining then used Michael's fallen "remains" as a mask, a shell, a vessel, what ever word you fancy, to "escape. They all do agree though that Lucifer vanished shortly after that battle, and Michael upon returning seemed different even if for a moment.
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Jan 1, 2009 2:21:21 GMT -5
Post by KG on Jan 1, 2009 2:21:21 GMT -5
This is a very interesting story. You wouldn't happen to remember where you read it would you? Is there a version of this on line, or in a book I could order? If this is a book and has a lot of this sort of thing in it, I would be interested. Who wrote it, and how old is it?
Rather than the Texas Chainsaw Masacre interpretation here, may I offer that although spiritual battle feels like physical battle in some ways, there is another side to it, that is much more complex. I would think that rather than litterally slaying Michael, skinning him out, and wearing his hide, like leatherface, Lucifer would have had another option. I think the text infers that during the physical battle Lucifer entered Michael, and if that were true, the battle would eventually re-erupt as an inner battle, when Michael again regained consciousness in his body.
At any rate if the inference is that any angel, much less ones as close to God as Michael, and Lucifer could get away with this for one moment... It is impossible. God knows the location of all things, but most especially his angels. His presence is such that one cannot lie, or fool him, so if this had happened, God himself would know right away.
Still I'd like to read this, especially if the age of the original, is greater than 1900 years.
Where did you read this also? AS far as I know execution of an angel is impossible. They don't die. Other than that a change in policy or two different policies is a common situation. Demurge would have imprisoned and tortured the offending angels. He would have then cast them down to earth, and greatly reduced their power. He may have even put them in a limbo and drained them of energy till they were extremely depleted.
God himself on the other hand would have pardoned them and welcomed them back gladly. It sounds like if this story is in any way genuine, then Demurge was at first in charge of the battle, and took immediate action without orders. He acted on his own, before they could stop him, probably because he master minded the entire situation, and manipulted the angels into rebelling to start with. He acted simultaneously with the revolt to quell it with an iron fist. That is his customary way of dealing with thing. God however could not interfered with the free will of Satan, or Demurge, but he could establish policy through other entities. So the two policies are quite understandable. God, Christ and the Mothers would have forgiven them, but Demurge would have hunted them down like dogs, and then tortured them like Jews in 1943 Germany. That is pretty much his style.
I figured. The only difference betwee angels and fallen angels is attitude and alegence. Fallens are bitter, and they have lost their connection to the light of heaven. Eventually they can re-allign with heaven, and find peace.
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