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Angels
Jan 1, 2009 2:27:39 GMT -5
Post by cassiel on Jan 1, 2009 2:27:39 GMT -5
The further you go "up" or "down" in reality, the more things dissipate and become less tangible so to say.
The book I assumed at many points was writing it in a way to relate it to the physical, the concepts in my opinion can be clearly seen regardless of using materialistic wording or spiritual wording?
Yes the "creator" would know all and see all so to speak, but if the "Creator" was leading lucifer by the hand, then Lucifer wearing Michael as a "mask" isn't impossible. The text have stated numerous times that Lucifer was not seeing through shades of good and evil, but perceiving beyond those concepts, after all the "Creator" is beyond good and evil.
Angels can not be executed, but their vessels, physical or spiritual can be "destroyed", their "essence" upon doing so goes else where. So yes you can not "kill" an angel, but you can "eliminate" an angel for a "time" being.
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Angels
Jan 1, 2009 2:28:58 GMT -5
Post by Xavrael on Jan 1, 2009 2:28:58 GMT -5
Lucifer, before his fall, was most beloved. So it wouldn't surprise me. Then again, Aeons (or, something others might call a supernals) also walk with God in such ways as well.
I.. or. Xavrael (my other half, spirit self, whatever you would like to call it) is very old, in that he is one of the above (an Aeon), so a lot of things were witnessed and some things participated in.
Reason i asked was because a while back, a friend of mine and I were speaking about a dilemma regarding somethings he was thinking about, and I trying to piece together things in a hypothetical manner came up to that same theory. Mind you, i have never read anything regarding that, so i found that little coincidence interesting is all.
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Angels
Jan 1, 2009 2:34:36 GMT -5
Post by cassiel on Jan 1, 2009 2:34:36 GMT -5
Lucifer, before his fall, was most beloved. So it wouldn't surprise me. Then again, Aeons (or, something others might call a supernals) also walk with God in such ways as well. I.. or. Xavrael (my other half, spirit self, whatever you would like to call it) is very old, in that he is one of the above (an Aeon), so a lot of things were witnessed and some things participated in. Reason i asked was because a while back, a friend of mine and I were speaking about a dilemma regarding somethings he was thinking about, and I trying to piece together things in a hypothetical manner came up to that same theory. Mind you, i have never read anything regarding that, so i found that little coincidence interesting is all. The individuals I use to do research with, would throw theories across to one another about all sorts of things, angels, spirits, ghost, meaning of life and existence. I've met many with similar and contrasting views to the things I have stated, then again this is just one of my opinions of the man made allegory "Lucifer", I have many opinions on lucifer and his role in literature and writing. As I was taught, think outside the box, so you can better understand what is inside the box. I personally do not believe that a "Lucifer" exist, much less a true higher ring of gods that govern the world and existence like a spiritual Illuminati. I view angels, spirits, gods, goddesses as a way for people to speak about problems in life, I view lucifer and heaven sort of as a representation of government and civil uprising , or on a more micro level one could see the story as symbolic for ones own conflict with what they want in the world and what society allows as acceptable.
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Angels
Jan 1, 2009 2:34:44 GMT -5
Post by Xavrael on Jan 1, 2009 2:34:44 GMT -5
Impossible to kill the essence of a soul/spiritual being? depends on who has authority to do it.
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Angels
Jan 1, 2009 2:36:52 GMT -5
Post by Xavrael on Jan 1, 2009 2:36:52 GMT -5
Lucifer, before his fall, was most beloved. So it wouldn't surprise me. Then again, Aeons (or, something others might call a supernals) also walk with God in such ways as well. I.. or. Xavrael (my other half, spirit self, whatever you would like to call it) is very old, in that he is one of the above (an Aeon), so a lot of things were witnessed and some things participated in. Reason i asked was because a while back, a friend of mine and I were speaking about a dilemma regarding somethings he was thinking about, and I trying to piece together things in a hypothetical manner came up to that same theory. Mind you, i have never read anything regarding that, so i found that little coincidence interesting is all. The individuals I use to do research with, would throw theories across to one another about all sorts of things, angels, spirits, ghost, meaning of life and existence. I've met many with similar and contrasting views to the things I have stated, then again this is just one of my opinions of the man made allegory "Lucifer", I have many opinions on lucifer and his role in literature and writing. As I was taught, think outside the box, so you can better understand what is inside the box. Thinking outside the box is a nifty thing to do anyway considering it can be more fun anyway. Creativity and all that.
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Angels
Jan 1, 2009 2:37:30 GMT -5
Post by cassiel on Jan 1, 2009 2:37:30 GMT -5
Impossible to kill the essence of a soul/spiritual being? depends on who has authority to do it. I guess there is a way to do anything?
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Angels
Jan 1, 2009 2:46:44 GMT -5
Post by Xavrael on Jan 1, 2009 2:46:44 GMT -5
Nothing is "Impossible". Can any devil, Angel, or otherwise do it? No. Only God can (its alluded to a lot in the Bible for one) - that is not to say that he hasn't appointed a very few to be able to do it. I would imagine that it is a lot like using a computer only for what it is supposed to be used for, otherwise a flag goes up for the corporate IT to investigate.
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Angels
Jan 1, 2009 2:47:05 GMT -5
Post by cassiel on Jan 1, 2009 2:47:05 GMT -5
I agree, I enjoy creative thinking, thinking of "what if", I find it helps me to relax and get through the daily stress of life and work.
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Angels
Jan 1, 2009 2:48:25 GMT -5
Post by cassiel on Jan 1, 2009 2:48:25 GMT -5
Nothing is "Impossible". Can any devil, Angel, or otherwise do it? No. Only God can (its alluded to a lot in the Bible for one) - that is not to say that he hasn't appointed a very few to be able to do it. I would imagine that it is a lot like using a computer only for what it is supposed to be used for, otherwise a flag goes up for the corporate IT to investigate. Ah I see, like the matrix, a few high level agents who have the ability to "delete" others permanently. So what happens when two agents with the "delete" ability come face to face in conflict?
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Angels
Jan 1, 2009 2:52:35 GMT -5
Post by Xavrael on Jan 1, 2009 2:52:35 GMT -5
Well. Considering that they both had it for a very good reason and a purpose - And also keeping in mind that God is infinite and knows all that is, I would be willing to bet that said two agents would naturally be unable to use that ability on each other, or, that "power" would be blocked until they settled their differences by their own means.
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Angels
Jan 1, 2009 2:54:07 GMT -5
Post by cassiel on Jan 1, 2009 2:54:07 GMT -5
Well. Considering that they both had it for a very good reason and a purpose - And also keeping in mind that God is infinite and knows all that is, I would be willing to bet that said two agents would naturally be unable to use that ability on each other, or, that "power" would be blocked until they settled their differences by their own means. And if said "god" allowed for free play for what ever reason, and the agents could "delete" one another, what would be the deciding factor between which of them deletes the other if "god" was no longer inhibiting that from happening?
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Angels
Jan 1, 2009 2:59:55 GMT -5
Post by Xavrael on Jan 1, 2009 2:59:55 GMT -5
Personal power and will. They would no longer be bolstered by God, so they would have to rely on their own, If their own could support such a gift and if so, for how long.
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Angels
Jan 1, 2009 3:02:07 GMT -5
Post by cassiel on Jan 1, 2009 3:02:07 GMT -5
Personal power and will. They would no longer be bolstered by God, so they would have to rely on their own, If their own could support such a gift and if so, for how long. How long and to what extent could they be "god", well I suppose that again depends on the individual in such a case as this. Will, and Power, is there a difference?
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Angels
Jan 1, 2009 3:26:09 GMT -5
Post by Xavrael on Jan 1, 2009 3:26:09 GMT -5
Extent? not much. It's a gift given to those who are trustworthy when they are needed to because they are able to channel that sort of energy.
As for will and power? I would say that a novice gunman would have power. They can shoot, sure.... but the marksman has the will understand what exactly it is that they are doing. Shooting? yes.. but everything else that comes along with it (factoring wind trajectory, weather, etc. etc.).
Will and understanding can come hand in hand. Will to do (be it survive, understand something so that whatever that thing is, they can do it with greater expertise).
Will is the deciding factor in a lot of things. Who has the will to go farther than someone else. the will to become better than others in a skill set or way.
power is simply that. Power. A lot like potential energy, one needs will to understand it, and then use it to its fullest potential.
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Angels
Jan 1, 2009 3:30:22 GMT -5
Post by cassiel on Jan 1, 2009 3:30:22 GMT -5
Extent? not much. It's a gift given to those who are trustworthy when they are needed to because they are able to channel that sort of energy. As for will and power? I would say that a novice gunman would have power. They can shoot, sure.... but the marksman has the will understand what exactly it is that they are doing. Shooting? yes.. but everything else that comes along with it (factoring wind trajectory, weather, etc. etc.). Will and understanding can come hand in hand. Will to do (be it survive, understand something so that whatever that thing is, they can do it with greater expertise). Will is the deciding factor in a lot of things. Who has the will to go farther than someone else. the will to become better than others in a skill set or way. power is simply that. Power. A lot like potential energy, one needs will to understand it, and then use it to its fullest potential. There comes a point, when one goes so far, that power no longer exist, that wisdom, understanding, knowledge, how to channel this or that, how to diffuse this or that, overshadows and replaces the word "power". Will, I believe is perhaps one of the greatest "thing", for the one with the greatest "Will" could overcome all others. You could take one of eternal power, and pit it against one of infinite Will, and the "Will" would overcome the power. Rather Will and Power becomes one and the same thing, I suppose "power" is different to each, until you go so far, that power no longer exist in your perception, and only Will remains. Perhaps it is different to each?
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