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Jan 4, 2009 1:02:52 GMT -5
Post by KG on Jan 4, 2009 1:02:52 GMT -5
Yes, They could leave, they could be kidnapped, and if incarnate they can be physically killed, or otherwise seperated physically from the mate.
Demurge was created alone... he is neither male nor female. I have no idea why.
Sophia has a mate. She decided to take off in some quest to see God, and instead crashed to earth. I am sure she planned to return, once she had had her little peek at the great light of God, but she didn't get to see him.
Demurge freaks her out... he is her nemisis not her counter-part. Demurge is jealous of Sophia's power, and he doesn't like women at all. I've felt his attitude about women, both on him and through those who are influenced by him. Basically for all his power mentally and emotionally he is a real cat chopping Bubba. He is the possessing entity of many cat chopping Bubba's really. You know the type, and I am sure you have felt the energy. The guy who goes to church, comes home and beats his wife with all new inspiration. He is repressive, chuvanistic, condesending, and the best you will get from one who is influenced by him is patronized. That's the best they can do for a woman... and they can't even maintain that. Once you get to know them, they drop the patronizing act. Demurgian men are TAUGHT to feel that they are intrinsicly superior to women just cause they are male. They are convinced we are stupid, except when we are being manipulitive. They believe any woman who has an IQ above room temperature, is a threat, and probably a witch.
I can think of one very good reason why God didn't give him a mate. He is insufferable, and whoever got stuck with him would probably have run away anyhow. Either that or she would have figured out the secret to killing an Aeon.
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Jan 4, 2009 1:10:39 GMT -5
Post by stonerwolf on Jan 4, 2009 1:10:39 GMT -5
I can think of one very good reason why God didn't give him a mate. He is insufferable, and whoever got stuck with him would probably have run away anyhow. Either that or she would have figured out the secret to killing an Aeon. that's... so demurge is an Aeon with no gender nor mate? god SHOULD have given "him" a mate just SO that she could discover how to kill him. oh well.
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Jan 4, 2009 3:54:21 GMT -5
Post by Xavrael on Jan 4, 2009 3:54:21 GMT -5
No no, apparently he is the result of said imbalance...I.E. he probably would have been fine had he been created with a mate.
Besides. There's no reason a way to kill him would *have* to be discovered. It has always been known. But there are other ways to take care of him, depending on which direction is being leaned in... Will he be saved? or more likely, is there some other plan?
There has always been a plan. *head scratch*
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Jan 4, 2009 9:15:43 GMT -5
Post by KG on Jan 4, 2009 9:15:43 GMT -5
Since he doesn't have a mate, or apparently the capacity to mate... we will never know for sure. I think there is some truth to what Xav is saying about him being bitter about being alone, and feeling alone, but at the same time, there a lot of human jerks out there who have wives. LOL It doesn't seem to stop them from being jerks. So many human women marry men in hopes they can change them, and... once in a while it works, but mostly people are what they are. In any case we will never know how demurge would act if he had a wife. God knows how to destroy him, but the people whom he actually annoys, torments, and abuses do not have the knowledge, the means, nor the permission to do so. There are those of us, who would kill him if WE had the means, and were allowed to. He causes a lot of problems. Maybe that wouldn't be nice, but we are charged to prevent human suffering, and how much of that would have been diverted without the crusades, without race and gender descrimination, without various factional and nationalist thoughts... people thinking they are God's chosen, and other people are... not. It isn't just the Jews either, all nations have that feeling. Without him, I am not sure there would have ever been a war, or an inquistion, or descrimination, not ever. Demurge is and always has been a curse on humanity. I suppose without him, those of us who spend most of our time resisting him, would not need to exist though. We resist him, and try to defuse his plots against us, and the rest of humanity. So far that seems to be the plan, if you could call it that. WE have not been doing a great job though. He has caused quite a bit of trouble despite our efforts.
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Jan 4, 2009 17:08:54 GMT -5
Post by stonerwolf on Jan 4, 2009 17:08:54 GMT -5
okay so you're basically saying god wants us to suffer, and the demurge had carried out god's will by tricking sophia into falling to earth.
had sophia never fallen, there would be no conflict, had sophia fallen elsewhere, the demurge would have set his sights on the inhabitants of that particular world instead.
he is infatuated with sophia, but unbearably jealouse and begrudgingly resentful of her. he's a third grader with his first crush. until he learns respect, however, he isnt going to be anything but what he is now.
perhaps those of us who resisat him need to exist beyond that resistance. we're setting an example.
shitty times, trying and confusing, but apparently necessary, otherwise there would be no need.
...... I'd still kill him if i had the chance.
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Jan 4, 2009 19:14:09 GMT -5
Post by KG on Jan 4, 2009 19:14:09 GMT -5
Not so much that he wants us to suffer, only that he is hung up with my favorite concept, MERCY, and your favorite concept FREE WILL. God is not by nature restricted, but he restricts himeself, for the reason of fairness. He limits himself, like self dicipline in good humans.
Demurge has free will, and human beings have the choice of following Demurge if they want to. They pick their own God basically. If they want to believe that God is merciful, kind, and loves everyone. If they want to be a practitioner of kindness, and healing arts, then they understand the words of Jesus, Buddha, or Krishna. If they want a God who smites their enemies, enforces moral restrictions, and thinks women should be kept in their place, then they worship Demurge, without even knowing it. He is more than willing to step into their lives, and into their churches, and set himself up on their altar as god... but he just isn't. He will go to work with them, and explain to them how they can be good christians, and still be cutthroat businessmen... and it isn't only Christianity. It is obvious that it impacts all religions, as well as corporations, and individuals.
We can't kill him which is Mercy. Mercy herself wants to kill him, but I am not all of Mercy. There are other Mercies, who understand his POV better I suppose, and are maybe more sympathetic to his cause. I admit I probably blame him for more than I should. I just see his mode of operations so clearly, and I see people acting in ways that he inspires, but it is their choice, and their free will to behave that way. I guess they know better, but I don't know... I mean they should, but they seem thoroghly fooled, but then maybe they wanted to be fooled. Maybe it is more fun in some way to be hateful, parinoid of others, and judgmental, than it is to help people. I never thought so, but I am not them. AT any rate they have a choice, and they take it.
Exactly, and maybe that is why Demurge set his light to lead her to earth.
It is a shame Demurge can't grow up, and turn into a nice gentleman. IF he did, maybe he could FIND a mate... I mean in all the universe there is bound to be a suitable female somewhere, but he is too much of a prude. He thinks women are evil, and that sex is evil, and he's really just no fun at all.
I understand there is a need for balance though, and people do need some rules, and some discretion about sex as well. People can't just do what they want if it harms others, but at the same time people should have the common sense to behave without being ruled with an iron fist, and most people do.
I agree. There is more to life than just keeping the Demurge at bay. At the same time it is like babysitting a third grader. A third grader could be helpful, or he could just stay out of the way, but by the time a kid is 9 years old, he can be a total pain in the butt and get in the way of everything else you want to do, if he chooses. Demurge is very much like the bratty child who makes sure that no one gets anything done, but deal with is mess.
I am hoping tha tthe shitty times, are coming to a close soon. At least the NEW President isn't trying to kill us. That is bound to be a plus. I think he has some good plans that might actually work to move the country back in the right direction. There is a lot of talk about going green, and rebuilding in a more productive way. Maybe this mess can be fixed, now that we have someone willing to try to make it better, instead having the top priority be, helping his friends and family get richer.
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Jan 4, 2009 19:39:49 GMT -5
Post by Xavrael on Jan 4, 2009 19:39:49 GMT -5
submitted this post after you KG, didn't see your post hehe ^_^"
No. God does not want people to suffer. But it comes with the territory when things are given free will.
And no, I didn't mean that the Demurge was resentful and lonely and bitter because of it - I'm saying that because of the fact that he was born without a counter balance to his energies, he wasn't.... well. "Right". It has nothing to do with how he's feeling. He is a byproduct of something that never should have happened in the first place (Sophia emanating without her mate).
He is what he is, because he was born when there was never any permission granted to do such a thing (according to some references i found anyway). Because it was done improperly.
I think, that following along with what i was reading, that the Demiurge is supremely pissed off for being hidden away like some shameful secret, and bolster that with an enormous ego...well. 1+1=2 in this instance.
and just to point out in case it was missed - Sophia is the mother of the Demiurge.
War would have happened regardless. It is human nature to want what others have and because we have free will (and some people's values are a bit more twisted than others...), some are willing to take.
Which is kind of funny though because in the end, people will choose what they want to believe. Sure the Demiurge might have set the ball rolling...but ultimately it's the people you have to help recognize whatever truth there may be in resisting the Demiurge.
(keep in mind, i don't necessarily believe in a Demiurge per say. To me, Demiurge and Lucifer are one and the same, plotting, manipulating and setting up fronts to confuse and distract, but thats my personal view on him as i may be a tiny bit more traditional than others.)
Eventually though. Something will come around that will change a few things. There are cogs in the construct that will begin to move as each domino piece begins to fall down and knock the next one over.
But i would like to mention, because i keep seeing it pop up, and i'd be lying if it did not annoy me -
But God never wanted us to suffer. It's common sense. Goes with the territory of being a, "Good and just God who created everything".
Most of the F**k ups that have happened is because some idiot decided that they might know better and went and did something they shouldn't have for a very good reason. Who?
David did. King Solomon did. Lucifer did. Sophia did (according to some reading i did). The Israelites in general did over and over and over again despite warnings given time and again.
The war in heaven? heh. The ongoing taunts made by the fallen (Possession, Hauntings (the dangerous ones), dark influences made on people to make them give into their baser desires, to kill, rape, maim, steal and torture).
The list goes on.
But we were all given the gift of free will. And we must live with the consequences of our actions.
If God were to swoop down this very moment and make everything right...what would we have learned? what would we have gained? Another few centuries of peace before we were back at it again?
Biblical revelation is a good way to kind of guess at whats in the works, literal or not. The shaders are being taken off and everything that we have done to ourselves will be made clear. there are depictions of torment. We torment ourselves. There are calamities. Things that bring out a person's true nature.
So is it God's fault we suffer? No. Not in the slightest. God in his greatness allows us to reap what we so, good or bad because that is what a good father does. he lets us learn from our mistakes so we don't do them again. A father might nudge us in the right direction from time to time though, but ultimately our destinies are truly in our own hands.
Granted. That's is not to say we can't be hit with the retard bat every now and then to plant the seeds of thought (Jesus is one that comes to mind, and i'm sure there may have been others (I don't know any of the eastern ones off of my head >.>) and he helps us each in ways that really benefit us in the long run in subtle ways but it is still our choice to act on whatever it may be.
Don't blame him for your problems. Blame yourself.
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Jan 4, 2009 23:54:21 GMT -5
Post by stonerwolf on Jan 4, 2009 23:54:21 GMT -5
submitted this post after you KG, didn't see your post hehe ^_^" No. God does not want people to suffer. But it comes with the territory when things are given free will. And no, I didn't mean that the Demurge was resentful and lonely and bitter because of it - I'm saying that because of the fact that he was born without a counter balance to his energies, he wasn't.... well. "Right". It has nothing to do with how he's feeling. He is a byproduct of something that never should have happened in the first place (Sophia emanating without her mate). He is what he is, because he was born when there was never any permission granted to do such a thing (according to some references i found anyway). Because it was done improperly. I think, that following along with what i was reading, that the Demiurge is supremely pissed off for being hidden away like some shameful secret, and bolster that with an enormous ego...well. 1+1=2 in this instance. and just to point out in case it was missed - Sophia is the mother of the Demiurge. thank you, you've shed the light and i know it now. The demurge has a sibling... born of the light of wisdom were twins, the light of consciousness, the breath of awareness, and a stillborn. the stillborn energies became the demurge as we know it now. the energies of consciousness brought greater spiritual awareness to the earth.
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Jan 5, 2009 0:42:45 GMT -5
Post by KG on Jan 5, 2009 0:42:45 GMT -5
I know what you mean. I end up doing that a lot, cause sometimes it takes me a while to type a post. Not a problem. Exactly, and not only our free will, but the free will of other people, and the free will of entities like Satan and others... whether you believe in Lucifer, Demurge or both, as Satan. Satan only means adversary, so that pretty well covers all of the above. I get what you mean, but he is bitter, he acts like someone who is bitter, and IMO bitterness is common among fallens and anyone who isn't lining up with God's will, whether it is cause or effect I do not know, but I've noticed it. As for Sophia's actions, it is hard to say about that. I've read a lot of opinions on what Gnostic Gospels say. I've also read a lot of translated texts, and it is clear to me from that, that many people do not understand the Gnostic Gospels yet, and they are hard to decipher in places. I at first felt that at least some of them were lying on purpose about what it says about Jesus. They try to make it sound like they new books say he WASN'T crusifed, but that is not true. What they say is that he was around for many years after the crusifixion, but they also indicate that he wasn't exactly physical after that. The description of his state of being both in the bible and in the Nag Hammadi, suggest the state yoga masters call Assended Master. After death, Assended masters sometimes appear to people, and they are solid, being able to embrace, and be touched, even smelled, and of course heard audibly, only to vanish without going out the door... even right in front of people. That seemed to be the case with Jesus and he returned over and over. The Crusifixion is not denied at all in the Nag Hamadi, that I have found, and neither was the resurection denied in the texts, which is the part that the atheists and the appoligists don't want to accept. IT is the assention story that is missing... it is missing from the older versions of the biblical texts also, and even when I was a child that chapter had a note above it in the revised standard version, explaining that it was added later, between 300 and 500 AD. So if anything in the story doesn't agree with the rest it is that he Assended into heaven, and stayed there. Since that part is known to be a late addition to the book, chances are it is untrue that Jesus completely left and didn't return after his crusifixion. I mean why would he resurect and then leave in less than 90 days never to return? It may be that He stayed in his resurected body for many many years. As an assended master, theoretically he could do that, and even use his body today to appear if he wanted to. There are many so called descrepencies between the Bible and The Nag Hammadi, but when you read both, in light of the other and put away your previous assumptions and just look at the texts there are few or now discrepencies. It is just that the Bible fails to mention some things, and then some things, and the Nag Hammadi clarifies a lot of what was said in a shorter way in the bible. The belief in the Demurge is different in a way, but it is also there in the bible in a way. There is no set interpretation of the Pistis Sophia, and Gnostic Gospels, and people have not had time to study it as they have the bible. There are no comentaries yet. I have after carefully considering it for many years come up with my own understanding of it... and found a lot of on line writers have different oppinions. It is also true that Jesus is also the son of Wisdom (Sophia) I know that to be true from experience. Sophia does not copulate in the normal way to get children. She sort of constructs them from her energy and an element from somewhere else. It isn't like she Did it with God to get Jesus or anything. I don't know if this is customary for other aeons or not, but we do know that the Virgin Mary had a similar occurance, and she didn't do it with God either. The Virgin Mary was Sophian. I am really not sure why Sophia doesn't procreate in a way similar to humans, but she doesn't, and I really don't know about how the other, higher aeons do it. In general Astral Pregnancy has many variables, and one of them is with or without sex as a cause. That said, God the father was the father of Christ[Logos, and somehow Sophia is his mother. I am not certain of exactly how that works except that I know it did not involve copulation of any kind. It was a 'virgin birth' just like Mary's and all the more easy since it was not in the physical. I also think that her being the mother of Jesus, might not include her being the mother of Logos himself. Knowing a bit about how Sophia makes babies, she could have taken the energy of Logos and planted it inside her, even though Logos already existed, in order to re-arrange his soul to fit into human form. I mean you could hardly incarnate all of Logos in one body. I think it might explode. LOL His aura would have blinded people, and even the people who were already blind could have seen it. So I figure that is what happened, and how Sophia got to be the mother of Christ, because Logos, is older than Sophia. One descrepency I found is the idea that Demurge is the offspring of Sophia, but I am not sure where they found that information. They may have it right, but I didn't read it that way. Of course I could have missed something. The material is more vast than the bible itself, and there are many works and each book kind of has to be evaluated on it's own merrits, and what we know of it's history. Sophia was pregnant at the time of her abduction at any rate. I do not know if it was with her mate, or some result of her staring at the light of God and wishing to go up to high heaven, but that is all she had done before she gave birth. I have heard some suggest the Demurge raped her, but I don't think that is likely. Anyway She was pregnant, and crashed, and Demurge stole her afterbirth and the premature body of her child, and formed the material world out of it. All of this was against her will, and the child was dead, because of her fall, but he stole her miscarrage material basically and used it to make... er... the material world material and not astral/etherial any more. ONe of the texts kept stressing over and over that the child was miscarried because of the fall, and because it was not completely formed and was stolen and corrupted, it was an abomination. I think most civilized people would agree that tripping a pregnant woman, and causing her to fall, and miscarry just so you could steal the fetus to make a craft project is a really really bad thing to do. Anyway that was the way I understood the translation of the texts that I have read. I admit that the passages are confusing though. I recomend that people take a look at them over at the Gnostic Society Library site. The Pistis Sophia is one of the most clearly understandable ones that I have read. IT is hard to say what people are looking at in their interpretations of these things. I admit I haven't read every book recently, so they may have read something I don't remember, but I don't think that anything I ever read in the texts, said that Demurge was Sophia's son. I can see though that after reading that stuff a while it is hard to know who is who... just like in the bible, there are a lot of names. I do not know why he was created as he was really. Some sources say that even he doesn't realize or acknowledge that he is not God himself. I think he'd rather just assume God's identity than claim his own. I mean they are all eminations of God, so in his mind... much like the conversation we had about Lucifer, he is most important in his own mind, more than the other Aeons. Sure they represent God, but he feels he represents God more. LOL Really the whole concept of Aeons, and God's relationship to Creation itself is hard to grasp... I mean exactly what they/ and we are to him. It is almost like God is multiple personality, and all of us are fragments of himself. Children seems like a better word. A child is a product of the parent, but not the parent himself. Yet the genetic material is there, and even more so if their was gentically one parent, as in cloning. they have proven though that even cloned cats, are not identical to the parent, either in character and appearance. As long as they were cloning goats they didn't notice, but when they started cloning pets they noticed right away. I think Aeons are the same way, even though the are facets of god, or aspects of God, and they come from God as eminations, they are not God... but you can see how they might feel they had the right to be. Just as a son, feels ownership of his father's property, and notices any resemblance to his parent, so Demurge feels similar to God, and he has in mind to usurp the power, not by open rebelion, like Lucifer, but by in fighting with siblings, and by being what he considers dogedly obedient to the rules, and enforcing them, and keeping everyone in their place. This is what he was doing to Sophia. Putting her in her place. I have seen articles saying that, but I have never read any text translations saying that... at least not that I recall, or understood that way. Maybe so, I just believe that the cause of most wars is the influence of Demurge within people. I believe that entities like Demurge, and others can worm their way into our instincts and thought processes, as well as into the culture of people. It is hard to say how much is us and how much is influence. Yes, I came to the same conclusion... and neither of us read the other's work. Exactly we all choose whom we serve. That is fine, and yes I remember. I understand. It took me seven years of struggle and past memories to admit that was my core belief. I was Gnostic, and Cathar in past lives, but even though it comes natural in some ways, my Church training was also a strong influence, and in the end I found a way that both things are true enough to suit me. I still believe in Lucifer, by the way... just that his job isn't as big as I used to think it was. He isn't the only one, and not everyone of the fallens, demons and negs report to him as their boss. Yep... pretty much. The odd thing about Sophia's story that I didn't understand was that she was seeking the light of God... and that was wrong... ?? I have trouble understanding that part. It says she abandoned her post, and her regular duties to seek out the light which she saw above her. She also abandoned her spouce to go, I guess you would say go look for God. But we as Christians are supposed to seek God's face, right? But it clearly states she abandoned her husband and ignored her duties, and just left her section of heaven to try to get a better look at the light. It sounds to me like it should have been a short errand, except that Demurge set up a light below her, and somehow hit her so that she got turned around and went down rather than up. She started praying pretty much immediately, but was still unable to return to heaven untile Jesus himself came. According to the Pistis Sophia, Jesus subdued Demurge, and let Sophia come back to heaven. People are easily led, and then they easily forget. One think I'd like to interject is that Stoner is about to undertake a mission to help Native Americans in Dakota country. As for that situation, sometimes people suffer because other people cheat them, or their ancestors, and they had no recourse. It is unfair, that our country dealt with the Native Americans in a way that was classic Demurge, whether you belive in the entity or not, at least see what I mean about the mode of operations, which is a common enough phenomonon in culture that it cannot be denied. The felt they DESERVED the land, even though other people lived on it. They TOOK it by force, and then gave the Dakota other land. The deeded it to them, and in that document they called them a free and independent nation, but now... well somehow over the years they allowed that land to be sold and deeded to non natives. WE stole their land. Today the life expectancy of a Dakota Indian living on that resurvation is 40 years. The infant mortality rate is more than five times greater for them, than for ordinary Americans. They live in poverty, and have very little. Stoner will have to look this injustice squarely in the face, and I can understand why the anticipation of it makes him wonder... but all people have free will, and not just the nice ones. Free will impacts others, especially when we are talking about the free will of government officials. I think the truth lays somewhere between these two extreme, and automatic conclusions which Stoner and Xav, have drawn about suffering. Stoner blamed God this time, usually he blames Government, and sometimes he blames corporations, and a group of people only known as THEY. I kind of tend to do the same, as far as blaming the government, but only because it is their job to manage this kind of thing, but they usually choose to line their own pockets, rather than think of the best interest of the majority of the people. I kind of resent that. I do think that sometimes government, and various circumstances beyond our control, make it darned near impossible to survive. At the same time though, we are not helpless, and we do have power to change things. NO one gets the right to redesign the world to their own specifications, but on the other hand we do have the right to stand against injustice, and at least do something to make a difference. We do have the means within our grasp to do at least small things to help the world, but if everyone did something small, it might add up to something big. Kim
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Jan 8, 2009 3:44:51 GMT -5
Post by cassiel on Jan 8, 2009 3:44:51 GMT -5
If we were to compare Michael and Lucifer, in every category and sense, how would it look? Which has more raw power, which greater Will, intelligence, knowledge, wisdom, combat ability, and over all potential, etc. What would be your opinion on this?
If Pride is the biggest aspect of Lucifer's personality, how does he respond when he loses at some thing?
*Theoretical scenario*
Lucifer is on earth presently in a human vessel, why would he be on earth presently of this day and age of present day? What could be some possibilities, some explanations?
Secondly, if Lucifer did indeed choose to be born into a human embryo, how long do you think it would take for him to reach the maturity and the capacity for him to bring through the door, that which is in the "other" world, into this world?
Continuing on this story, if the above were so, do you think Michael would also be in this world in a human vessel, or do you think he is not yet in a human vessel?
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Jan 9, 2009 4:03:42 GMT -5
Post by KG on Jan 9, 2009 4:03:42 GMT -5
I would rather speak in genalities about fallens and regular angels than about these specific entities.
In general, angels are more powerful than fallen angels. There is a higher power which angels can tap into, which makes them pretty much invincable, at least in my opinion. When you speak of will, God's will is what is important. Michael could use God's will, and Lucifer would be outmatched.
There are many incarnate angels, and some of them seem very unaware of the fact they are angels... and others are aware, but none of them that I know of, can bring things into the physical that are astral. I mean we all have our little victories, and the times we got a miracle or whatever, but in general... physical is physical. It can be altered a bit by spiritual power, as in healing.
Astral entities can appear to those who see them, but they are not physical, nor can they be because of the veil. We exist on both planes, we have a physical body and an astral/spiritual body. I think it might be possible to do what you are talking about, but it isnsn't likely that a physical human being would ever be able to do it. For one thing, most people are either completely or mostly unaware of their souls, or who they are in the spiritual realm. Some people see it, but they only think it is fantasy, or imagination... some sort of visualization exercise. Of those who are aware that this kind of thing is real, most of us do not know how to use it in the ways you are talking about.
The physical is unyielding to our psychic powers. Jesus was able to heal, and even resurect, not only himself but also his friend Lazurus, and he said that any human being could do the same things in his name, and by the spirit of God. I don't know where that would leave Lucifer, but Michael could definitely heal and resurect the dead if he were aware, and believed that he could. So can anyone with the faith, provided they are working within the will of God. Jesus and a few other biblical characters were able to change matter, into other matter, or to create a growth of matter, such as the loaves and fishes miracle, and others.
Jesus himself didn't parade physical angels down the street, or display any artifacts from heaven, so I don't think anyone else could do that either. Overall if Lucifer or Michael were incarnate, they would still be restricted by the same laws of gravity, matter, and the veil, as the rest of those. They might be able to overcome some of them but I don't think that Lucifer being incarnate, would create a senerio with millions of physical helish monsters roving the streets.
I do not know if either of them are incarnate. I only know that many angels are, and it is not something that I would necessarily know about them, even if I knew them astrally, which I don't.
Kim
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Jan 10, 2009 23:12:44 GMT -5
Post by ~Sephity~ on Jan 10, 2009 23:12:44 GMT -5
I still very much wish to have a discussion with lucifer....and I want to see a Seraphim..
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Jan 10, 2009 23:26:31 GMT -5
Post by stonerwolf on Jan 10, 2009 23:26:31 GMT -5
want versus need.
often times i have found that regardless of how much one wants something (or even wants to need), that unless there is a need for it, it can often times be met with impossibility.
If you are straight up, out right, not allowed to talk to lucifer, you'll have to settle for what others tell you about him, but if there is a need to meet that goal, it will happen. it is just a matter of willpower and patience.
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Angels
Jan 11, 2009 0:53:27 GMT -5
Post by cassiel on Jan 11, 2009 0:53:27 GMT -5
If war were to break out across the earth in ways most of you have likely imagined, but never given much credence to...what would you do, where would you go?
If say, beings that are wicked and nefarious were to cross into this world, on a massive scale, inhabiting this physical realm. And every individual they maim and kill, that body then becomes a living host for them to use further, you would be able to trust no one, for anyone could be one of them.
And as the nations, populations, are reduced from those you love and hate, to twisted and mutilated individuals housing no longer their own souls, but another who has taken house.
Those who are maimed never return, not this age, so my question is, in this massive wave, after wave of panic, fear, emotion, what do you do, where do you go? Who do you blame? How do you overcome?
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Angels
Jan 13, 2009 0:10:34 GMT -5
Post by KG on Jan 13, 2009 0:10:34 GMT -5
Goodness you have a lot of hard questions. Good thing I like hard questions. I never discount anything. I am pretty sure that something of potentially negative effect will happen in the next fourty years... no telling what. LOL The odds may be against a full scale zombie attack in the near future, but what are the odds that there will be no long term power outages, revolutions, attacks from foreign powers, or 'terrorists' (yeah right,) riots, civil unreset, a rise of false prophets, or anti christs, or other anarchists, or even some sort of parinormal freakshow within our lifetimes. It pays to be prepared for anything, but not to the point you aren't living your life and doing the things you need to do and want to do. I have had some really seriously insane conversations about this kind of thing. Though most of the time I tend to think in terms of political and physical disasters, some people who are very close to me, want to build fortifications against zombie attacks, so the concept is not something I don't think about quite a bit. Those people are expecting it to happen very soon, and though I can't imagine, I am not discounting it... maybe towards the end of February. I've also had long PM and e-mail conversations a couple of years ago, with an old friend of mine, debating what the fall of the veil would be like. We never came to an agreement, and it was just one of the things we used to argue about, but sure... it's possible. I've seen portals, and I have seen the veil thin, pocket, and fold, so sure it could fall, but I doubt it would fall all at once. One thing which is highly confusing is that if the astral and physical were suddenly tossed together what would be the properties of the astrial/physical realm? Also WE would change probably and get abilities like the ones we have in the astral, but to what degree. To what point would I be a chubby 48 year old housewife, and to what extent would I be my divine warrior self. Also should I grab a sword or a gun... I guess I'd try both. My old friend said I should infuse my weapons of choice with my spiritual power, now while I have time... and I suppose that would be a good idea. It just seems er... well maybe some time when no one is around. It would be a good idea anyway. Maybe prayer would help my marksmanship, Swordsmanship, or what ever? I don't plan to go anywhere myself. In the event of a disaster, leaving home would be my last course of action. Unless JC himself appeared and told me to go somewhere I wouldn't think of it. I"ve never been one to run from a fight. Why start now. I'd make a stand here on the farm. I've watched enough zombie films to know that moving doesn't help, unless your place is totally over run, and if you let that happen, chances are the next place you fortify will do the same. It would be better to fortify the place where you have your stuff, and that you are familiar with. Well I do not know how many entities out there are wicked and nefarious, but if those come, then the holier ones will also be there. AS for possession that is entirely possible even now. It happens. It isn't like in the movies, but it occurs. Usually though, possession is partial, and it comes and goes... and the things that possess others aren't all negative. People have more the illusion of being in control of themselves, but most people have times when they are not fully themselves... I see it more as an influence than a possession though. If you mean zombie plagues, or similar... well I suppose it could happen, but if you mean fall of the veil, then if the veil goes down, we'll have plenty of angels, as well as demons. Trust is something that people either do or don't regardless of circumstances, trust in large groups of others is a fools errand. If it were truely a fall of the veil though, then we would be able to see what people truely are, and maybe... maybe it would be easier to tell about people's true nature than it was previously. Now everyone looks human, and we can't tell what their deeper motivations might be. Hmmm... interesting, so you are saying possession by way of bite. Not just an empty mostly mindless animated corpse, like in the zombie movies, but something more like "Prince of Darkness?" which was an old John Carpenter film? Like demonic possession transfered by bite? That is an interesting idea. You use whatever power you can muster to fight back as best you can with whatever you have. Never give up. Why go anywhere? LOL it would all be the same, but I guess it would be best to avoid highly populated areas. How about G. W. Bush. Most of the things that have happened in the last 8 years have been his fault... and a lot of really bad things have happened. Or we could blame Satan (not Lucifer) who is a lot like Bush... same thing really. Same spirit. They overcame him by the blood of the lamb. That is in revelations. I don't know about the other folks on this site, but I would be praying, and seeking out Jesus, for help. I'd call on the angels for help and I'd see what was most effective as far as physical protection. I would assume guns, would be a good idea, as would boarding up the house... like in "Night of the Living Dead. Mostly though, I hope that I would remember my faith, and that all the bible verses that come to mind now would come to mind in the actual situation. I hope I would think, "God hath not given me a spirit of fear, but of power, love and a sound mind." Ye are more than conquorors through Christ Jesus." and even "Though he slay me, I will serve him." "Faith is the substance of things hoped for, and the evidence of things not seen." I would read Psalm 91 to whatever tried to attack me, and I would by the promises of that book defeat it in this world, just as I do in the other. Whatever the outcome though, I know that nothing can seperate me from the love of God, and finally I know that I am not my physical form. I have little relation to the thing really. It is only a temporary house, and though I am attached to my family here and now, I also know that I have known them in times past... before this life, and that I will know them again, and also that I will see them in heaven. I do not believe that whatever happens, I could depart from heaven where I live even now. The kingdom of heaven is NOW, and we are the conduit which connects heaven and earth. We are there and here, but far more important than the earthly existance, is the eternal existance.
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