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Jan 1, 2009 12:34:41 GMT -5
Post by KG on Jan 1, 2009 12:34:41 GMT -5
Hi Xav,
It is always good to hear from you. I did not mean to ignore you last night. I started posting before you did, and I was interupted for a while, then went back finished it up quickly, and got another interuption. I didn't realize you were here till this morning. I am glad that you are explaining this to her, because as you know, it was before my time. It is all very interesting and complex, not only the story but the different POV's and attitudes involved.
Good point. God could, and only God could, but would he? I have heard that God "reassigns" souls sometimes, as in re-makes them, and changes them in ways that erase memories, and removes damage... and that soul isn't the same after, but this is not outright removal.
Do you know of any case where a soul was utterly destroyed, and did not return in some form? I had always thought the lifebreath of God "the spirit" is a gift given to us, and he will not take it away, nor will it ever cease to exist. He can remove entities from the situation, even store them away, or re-design them at will, or combine them with other things, but I always believed that the actual energy of the breath will always remain, like water on the earth... it is always the same water, but it can be combined with other things, but it is still the same stuff, or at least that has been my opinion. If there are exceptions though I'd like to hear more about them. I am very curious about that.
Death in the spiritual/astral realms does remove one from the immediate situation, but it is temporary... disappointingly so if you are the one wanting them out of the way. Often though, but not always they will at least leave you alone after you kill them, and go bug someone else. LOL
Cassiel,
I wouldn't necessarily say up or down, in reality but I know what you mean. Things on the earthly plain also have different "levels" of reality. A soldier in combat during the American Civil war, in a state that was split on the issue, might feel very uncomfortable fighting people he knows. Are his feelings any less "real" and a factor in the war, than his actions. During the battle he feels fear, guilt, horror, and a connection with the enemy. The double sided catch 22 guilt, which he feels for killing, or not following duty to kill is a powerful emotion either way. What he feels as he either lets an old friend escape, or looks into that old friend's dying face knowing he was the one who shot him, is the same as what we are talking about. In addition his friend's soul as it either prepares to depart, or leaps for joy at the heart warming moment his friend lets him go, touches the soldier. This contact, this psychic embrace is "REAL" on a much grander scale than any solid object in the background of this event. Either way, he will "feel" his friend for a long time.
The here and now concrete is not the only thing that is real. Again though, I believe that man is as water, which has all three states, solid, liquid and vapor... perhaps the least important being solid. Water is only solid, for a few short weeks or months in the winter in most places, but it is there all the time, and such are the condition of souls. We are a vapor most of the time, and the physical world is very strange if you think about it. I am here, and you are there. WE are communicating without being in the same State probably. You could be half way around the world, and we can still communicate. 500 years ago that would have been called witchcraft, to even claim... and it would have been impossible to do it electronically, yet the ability was there by other means. If you had explained your "computer" to an inquisitor, he would have smurked and tightened the screws. What you percieve as reality is only based on your experience and knowledge.
I watch my TV, and I see that many of the things presented there look real, especially with digital and blue ray. I can see them more clearly than physical reality, because of the light. These people exist somewhere, but not in my living room, and it is all done by science. I don't know all about how it works, but I can still use it. It is the same with our memories and our abilities. I have seen in myself and from my online friends that we can remember things that actually happened, from past lives, we can remember things that are recorded in ancient documents that happened in heaven, and yet we remember them before we read of them. How do we know them? The most likely seeming answer is that we lived those lives long ago and remember them, but I guess their could be other explainations. I am open to suggestions. Personally I believe that Xav, or some part of him, was there, long ago when Lucifer fell. He is an eye witness. His memories, as he retells them may be colored by his experiences in this life and his perception of reality, but deep down the emotions and the memories that cannot be put in words are real, and they are present within him. Why does he remember? IDK?
Exactly. When writing we are forced to use words, and there are some things we cannot say in words so that everyone else will understand, regardless of time, culture, and knowledge of background information. I am just saying that an extremely litteral interpretation of this is very unlikely.
Wow, that is something the religious right would have trouble swallowing. LOL Most people both historically and in modern day, see God as all about good and evil, and quite unable to see past that. Honestly I do not know whether God is either beyond good and evil or not. I just figure he understands good and evil better than anybody, and no doubt differently than we do. This whole no good and evil thing is kind of contradictory in my opinion. I occasionally entertain it, but the center will not hold on that, in my psyche. WE all believe in good and evil, however we define it, and we notice it, and we complain about evil done to us. We complain about factories dumping waste, and serial killers destroying people's lives randomly... surely those actions are evil, bad, ignorant, whatever you want to call it. Hitler and his minions, torturing, and killing all those Jews and Gypsies, certainly seems more than a naughty prank to me. It is all words, but some things seem to be bad, and the most indoctrinated against the concept of Good and Evil, will still moralize about something or other. No good and evil, sounds very high brow and intelectual, but in the end... it is nonsensical in practice. In my view people are a mixture of good and bad, and they aren't all evil or all good, but their actions are either motivated by love or hate or fear, and the results are mixed too... but some things are obviously... er... not good. I think it is foolish to deny that in the name of seeming open minded.
I agree that our perception of good and evil are colored by our POV and our preticular 'side.' I do not think that it is within the human psyche to judge the good and evil of other entities. That being a limitation of the human condition, and no comentary on the reality of good and evil, just the fact that human beings cannot judge that accurately, about other beings.
The greatest of all wills is God's will, and he can use his will through any other entity. So that even if the individual's will is weak, God's will can intervene, and strengthen that will, to be most powerful.
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Jan 1, 2009 13:56:18 GMT -5
Post by Xavrael on Jan 1, 2009 13:56:18 GMT -5
No worries KG hehe =). As for it having been done... perhaps a very very long time ago. God is a creator, But the ability to destroy is not outside of his range. Nothing is, really. I would not go so far as to say that its been something that has been done often. In fact it is very rare.
I was just mentioning that it is possible. but not something done lightly at all.
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Jan 1, 2009 15:15:48 GMT -5
Post by KG on Jan 1, 2009 15:15:48 GMT -5
I guess theoretically he can do what he wants, but as you said, it is bound to be rare, and he wouldn't take it lightly. I just wondered if he'd ever done it at all, and if he had maybe you knew about it. I figure he could but wouldn't. I know in Revelations it says that he puts Satan and others in a pit, for a thousand years, and then releases him for a season. To me that doesn't sound like someone who is eager to slay their enemies.
I have often wondered why he would do that? Release them i mean. My guess is that it means he hasn't given up on them yet.
Even as Mercy I've seen times when it would seem the best solution to just get rid of the opposition, but apparently God is far more merciful than I.
Of course if what I have heard about Re-assignment is true that seems to be the best option of all. I wonder why he would not do THAT with his oposition... just remove the negative parts, and fill them with something positive. Then make them forget the things that hurt them in the past. I guess maybe that wouldn't be fair though. IDK.
Kim
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Jan 1, 2009 17:14:03 GMT -5
Post by cassiel on Jan 1, 2009 17:14:03 GMT -5
I guess theoretically he can do what he wants, but as you said, it is bound to be rare, and he wouldn't take it lightly. I just wondered if he'd ever done it at all, and if he had maybe you knew about it. I figure he could but wouldn't. I know in Revelations it says that he puts Satan and others in a pit, for a thousand years, and then releases him for a season. To me that doesn't sound like someone who is eager to slay their enemies. I have often wondered why he would do that? Release them i mean. My guess is that it means he hasn't given up on them yet. Even as Mercy I've seen times when it would seem the best solution to just get rid of the opposition, but apparently God is far more merciful than I. Of course if what I have heard about Re-assignment is true that seems to be the best option of all. I wonder why he would not do THAT with his oposition... just remove the negative parts, and fill them with something positive. Then make them forget the things that hurt them in the past. I guess maybe that wouldn't be fair though. IDK. Kim Tell me more of the aeons. So theoritically, if Lucifer ever revealed himself if the "time" came, and faced a host of innumerable odds, and the Will flowing through Lucifer is the "creators" Will, then Lucifer would overcome them, would he not, if that was the "creators" will? Just asking creative questions.
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Jan 1, 2009 21:19:45 GMT -5
Post by KG on Jan 1, 2009 21:19:45 GMT -5
Aeons are called eminations from God. I believe that some of them directly corespond to the Sephirots which Kabalistic Jews believe in. Kabalistic Rabbis say that the Sephirots are the facets or faces of God that humans can comprehend, a lot better than they can concieve of the great light being, who is totally incomprehensible to the human mind. I think some of them also correspond to the gods and goddesses of all the different religions. I believe that people observed them, because they do work with individuals, and that all mythos is one in the same.
Basically I think the whole problem in understanding about Aeons and Sephirots is the idea of Monotheism. We got our religious beliefs from the Jews, but the Jews believe in many entities which Christians deny in the name of monothism, but the Jews are also monothists and the original Monothists and they say that God has aspects, eminiations, facets or faces, depending on which Rabbi's work you are reading. OUR bible refers to them, by translating their name, and making it sound that they are just atributes, but they are more than that according to the Kabalists. Even the Muslims have 99 names for God. The Catholics have saints, which in a few cases represent Aeons.
Aeons are frequently named for atributes. They are listed in the Pistis Sophia, and in some other books, There are a certain number of Aeons in each group, but the names occasionally vary from text to text. Sophia is always listed though. She seems to corespond to Chochmah (wisdom) in the Kaballa. In any case all the atributes and various names for aeons are listed in the various books. There are levels of them, which read like a family tree. Some are eminations of God, and others are eminations of the higher Aeons, and then some are at the bottom of the list as eminations from aeons that are themselves eminations of aeons. In some ways eminations could be thought of as Children.
From my own experience I can tell you that numbers tend to be symbolic, in ancient texts, and when there are seven aeons listed there could actually be more, but the number is important for other reasons.
As for my own view and experience, you have to understand a bit of how I see to fully understand how I interpret things. I see people's thoughts, and their psychic content. I always have. I am aware when people change their way of speaking, and seem to have side personalities, and in many cases I experience one person as several people. I am aware of their inner child, as a seperate entity. I see different sides of a person, and I am very aware of that. I am also aware of their influences sometimes. I sense other people or entities on them, in the same way your dog sniffs your hand to see if you have petted another dog. I don't always do this, but sometimes it just happens, and other times people ask me to try to do this in order to help them. I am also aware of my own psychic content. Thus a person to me is NOT a singular entity. My abilities ebb and flow, so that at times I am more aware than others, and of course some people are easier to discern than others. Some people do seem to be singular entities, while others are a wide variety of things. People are linked together with other entities though, so that almost no one is exactly alone. I am definitely not alone.
I have had visions all my life, and I have been interested in the parinormal, and spiritual things because of that. My visions started out frightening as a child. I saw what Eckhart Tolle refers to as Pain bodies, which are products of people's psyche's. I did not know that as a child though, and I was terrified of them. The pain body population is huge so I was scared to death being surrounded by all these monsters. I also had flashes of other people's experiences from time to time when I talked to them, and sometimes I heard people's thoughts in words. I channeled easily, and experienced people's souls easily. I became involved in the Assemblies of God church at age 13, and tried to quit my witchy ways. LOL I thought it was the right thing to do, but as time passed I discovered that I was also gifted in their eyes. They apprecated my abilities as a gift of God, and I was trained an inner healing and deliverance minister (Pshychatric councilor/exorcist) when I was in my late teens and early twenties. Then my church went to the Religious Right, and I left. I tried to go back but I found their new spin on things irritating so I finally gave up.
During my training I learned to be aware of many levels or plains. Some overlapping this one, and others I went to in meditation. I became aware of angels and learned to work with them. AS time passed I became more and more aware, and eventually remembered and became aware of a lot of things that didn't really fit with classic theology. My teacher encouraged that, and taught me a wide variety of spsiritual information. We were both constantly learning new things and expanding our horizons, but then my teacher became ill. Our work is exhausting, and she had overtaxed herself trying to heal a child of Leukemia. The child lived, but her health was compromised so that she had to take a very long break. I had basically already graduated from her but continued to work with her until she got sick.
I continued to work, study and learn on my own after that, and eventually came about the understanding I have now. I am still learning constantly. I don't know everything, even about myself, but I have worked hard to get the understanding I have.
I experience the life of the Madonna of Mercy simultaneously with my own. MErcy's life goes on and my life goes on without constant conscious awareness of every detail on either plain. I am aware of my heavenly home, at least as much as I am aware of my own house and family. it is a divided awareness,where I can focus on one or the other, but generally awareness of heaven is automatic. If something happens I usually know,but there are times when I am less aware. (as a point of clarification, there are many Madonnas, or mothers, and only one is the virgin Mary.)
I use a method of operations in heaven, that I learned from my teacher, which is called being spirit led. It is similar to being instinctive, in a way, but it makes action and conscious thought two entirly different things. I do not DECIDE what Mercy does, I am led, advised, and operating on something quite different than my brain when I am there. I can also use this mode of operations here to run my own life, but of course I don't do that all the time. I don't think it would be possible for me to stay in that state constantly. I was trained to use that form of awareness in ministry, so when it is important and seems aplicable I can use this method.
Possible I guess but unlikely. Theoretically if Russia, China, and the USA all waged war on a third world country it would fall, but the US will not likely side with Russia on general principle, nor would Russia likely ask for our help. Of course it is possible.
As I said I know nothing about Lucifer except what I have read, and what I have gleened from talking to people who say they know him, but in general, fallens who continue to be fallen, and do not re-align with some God aligned power, tend to be bitter. They are deeply, deeply, bitter, and not just ticked off or annoyed. I have empathed this emotion from them, but I could not concieve of it. It is overwhelming. That is why they remain fallen. That bitterness must be overcome before they can re-align.
Most of them would not cry out to God if they were mortally wounded. In general, Lucifer would have to pray and ask God to preform his will, in the hypothetical situation you laid out. He would have to ask God to strengthen him, to defeat the greater foe. In those circumstances God might... would be likely to help him, by allowing either victory, or a means of avoiding the battle all together.
The way I understand it, the rupture in the relationship is now strictly in Lucifer's hands. He could make amends at any time, but he hasn't yet, and honestly he probably won't. I would suppose though that if there were some dire circumstance where some horrible tragedy was about to occur, and Lucifer for some reason decided to be a hero and save us all, out of some pure and compassionate motive, God would aid him in that effort... but that whole senerio would require a complete change of heart from Lucifer. Really that is all that the situation lacks, is a change of heart.
Another possibility would be if God chose to allow Lucifer to punish the group. It is God's will that protects from attack so If God lifted his protection from the group, then that alone could cause Lucifer to win. In general it is all up to the will of God except for Lucifer's free will to remain apart from him.
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Jan 1, 2009 21:38:13 GMT -5
Post by Xavrael on Jan 1, 2009 21:38:13 GMT -5
Hehe! was responding over the course of a few hours as i was bouncing back and forth between things heh. I guess theoretically he can do what he wants, but as you said, it is bound to be rare, and he wouldn't take it lightly. I just wondered if he'd ever done it at all, and if he had maybe you knew about it. I figure he could but wouldn't. I know in Revelations it says that he puts Satan and others in a pit, for a thousand years, and then releases him for a season. To me that doesn't sound like someone who is eager to slay their enemies. I have often wondered why he would do that? Release them i mean. My guess is that it means he hasn't given up on them yet. Even as Mercy I've seen times when it would seem the best solution to just get rid of the opposition, but apparently God is far more merciful than I. Of course if what I have heard about Re-assignment is true that seems to be the best option of all. I wonder why he would not do THAT with his oposition... just remove the negative parts, and fill them with something positive. Then make them forget the things that hurt them in the past. I guess maybe that wouldn't be fair though. IDK. Kim Simply put... That would essentially get rid of free will. We are much like the..uh, older siblings to humanity. We're supposed to know better (revolt? no? Lucifer is a great example) but sometimes we don't. We have free will, despite us being a lot like caretakers of man and the cosmos. It would be of greater benefit to allow them to come to the conclusion that what they were doing was wrong than to force it on them by removing the negative parts forcibly. We are still God's children, just like humans are. ---------------------------------------- Hypothetically speaking, if any angel were told to do something and had the backing of God, that is to say, God is helping them accomplish it, then yes. Pit one against an army, and God has decreed that the Angel (or otherwise) is to do something, then yes. They will do it. Because it is no longer a matter of the angel's will, but of God's will. ---------------------------------------- As for the Aeons - They are divine emanations of God basically. it's written somewhere that they usually come in pairs and can number in the 30's. they have been around since before the angels were created, some of them even helping in the development of the angel's understanding of how things are, among other things.
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Jan 1, 2009 22:45:42 GMT -5
Post by KG on Jan 1, 2009 22:45:42 GMT -5
I tend to forget about free will. I find it annoying, even for myself at times. I like being told what to do. especially by God, or angels. Not so much by other people, unless they are really smart, and understand my goals, but if they are I don't mind at all. It's just easier, than trying to guess. I pray for guidance a lot. In other people, well some people can be a real nuisance with their free will. LOL I sometimes wish that God would just formualte a plan, and make us all stick to it. It seems like it would work better. I guess it would... I just follow orders most of the time though, and like it that way. The only time I ever voice an opinion is if their plans aren't working and I know of something I could do to help. The rest of the time, I just do my regular job, which I usually know how to do without many questions, and ask advice if I need to. ---------------------------------------- Exactly. IF an angel, or anyone else who has faith, and the desire to serve, is doing the will of God it will be accomplished. ---------------------------------------- That is right... not sure how many there are actually, but the symbolic number is 32. I see that another list has 30 but the answer to the universe is 32... (hitchhikers's guide to the Galaxy, claimed it was 42 but you can't expect the writer to give you the answer to the universe in a movie, even if he had it. He meant 32.) LOL ... 32 is a common recurring number in many kinds of traditions, and in my own expereinces as well. There is a great article on the subject in Wiccipedia. It is easier than what I was about to do which is go though my notes, and if necessary read the Pistis Sophia again. The article has a few areais that the author seems to understand differently than I do, but the lists of Aeons is a great resource. Comparing the various lists from different texts side by side, is something I tried to construct on my on, but here thay have it already done. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AeonKim
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Jan 2, 2009 0:11:28 GMT -5
Post by cassiel on Jan 2, 2009 0:11:28 GMT -5
So what about Uriel, and him being "chastised" for being overly "zealous" during the war, you remember what "happened" to him afterward?
Raphael being put into purgatory, do you remember what happened after that?
Does it ever strike you odd, that your on earth right now, even if just a piece of yourself, but more and more of yourself is being invested, "Transferred" here to this mortal body?
Even more so, do you ever stop and think why you are here, as well as others? Do you know how many are here currently in a human body at this present time? Do you know what is coming, rather what is already here, when it will stand up and take stride?
Negativity, positivity, light, darkness, it is all one and the same, so why would you want positivity and not negativity too? You want to be cloaked in light and joy, yet not radiate darkness and drear?
Xavrael, did you so heavily pursue Lucifer because your "counterpart " went missing after you rejected Lucifer's offer? And when you could not find Lucifer, you took your "emotion" out on the stragglers you did get a hold of, not even for information since they did not hold what you sought, but just to hurt them for the sake of wounding Lucifer indirectly?
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Jan 2, 2009 14:22:26 GMT -5
Post by KG on Jan 2, 2009 14:22:26 GMT -5
I'll leave the angel history questions for Xav, since he knows A LOT more about that than I do.
I think that feeling is a huge part of my history, as far as past lives, but this time... well I am not really feeling here as much as there anyway. I have problems staying in body and staying aware. In general though I feel I am here because I have a job to do, here as well as there. Lately I feel a little annoyed because I don't feel that I am doing anything special on the physical plain, but you never really know what might be important in hind sight, so I do whatever needs to be done. In the past I have had clear missions in life, and this one seems like very uneventful so far.
I don't really enjoy being in body since I am older, but I am trying to get back into it a bit, after feeling like I was running it by remote control for years.
I have heard that I will do something of importance when I am old, but I really don't know what it is. I know that I must be completely humbled before I do it. I also know that there are more people on the earth now than ever before, and that an unprecidented number of souls have been created in the past several years. Special souls too. I don't know why. I know that many old souls, and saintly older people experienced physical death last year and the year before.
I don't really know what is going to happen. There are many possible futures from here. I do not believe it is time for armegdon or the veil falling, or whatever end is in store, but someone is forcing the envelop. They are trying to draw an end early, so that it has the advantage. Whether it succeeds in forcing God's hand is yet to be seen. but either way I am confident that whether this ends the current era, or just causes a disaster, or if we are able to prevent this action we will be able to contain it. I'd rather they wouldn't just yet though. I'd rather wait till the appointed time, whenever that is. I really do not see this as an end so much as a change, anyway. There is some evidence to support that humans will inhabit the earth for thousands of years yet to come, but we will be wiser by then, at least I hope so.
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Jan 3, 2009 1:04:40 GMT -5
Post by cassiel on Jan 3, 2009 1:04:40 GMT -5
I'll leave the angel history questions for Xav, since he knows A LOT more about that than I do. I think that feeling is a huge part of my history, as far as past lives, but this time... well I am not really feeling here as much as there anyway. I have problems staying in body and staying aware. In general though I feel I am here because I have a job to do, here as well as there. Lately I feel a little annoyed because I don't feel that I am doing anything special on the physical plain, but you never really know what might be important in hind sight, so I do whatever needs to be done. In the past I have had clear missions in life, and this one seems like very uneventful so far. I don't really enjoy being in body since I am older, but I am trying to get back into it a bit, after feeling like I was running it by remote control for years. I have heard that I will do something of importance when I am old, but I really don't know what it is. I know that I must be completely humbled before I do it. I also know that there are more people on the earth now than ever before, and that an unprecidented number of souls have been created in the past several years. Special souls too. I don't know why. I know that many old souls, and saintly older people experienced physical death last year and the year before. I don't really know what is going to happen. There are many possible futures from here. I do not believe it is time for armegdon or the veil falling, or whatever end is in store, but someone is forcing the envelop. They are trying to draw an end early, so that it has the advantage. Whether it succeeds in forcing God's hand is yet to be seen. but either way I am confident that whether this ends the current era, or just causes a disaster, or if we are able to prevent this action we will be able to contain it. I'd rather they wouldn't just yet though. I'd rather wait till the appointed time, whenever that is. I really do not see this as an end so much as a change, anyway. There is some evidence to support that humans will inhabit the earth for thousands of years yet to come, but we will be wiser by then, at least I hope so. There are forces trying to set it off early? Who is to say it is not meant to be set off during this time, near to the present?
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Jan 3, 2009 1:49:14 GMT -5
Post by KG on Jan 3, 2009 1:49:14 GMT -5
You have a point since no one really knows except God when that preticular event will happen, and though some completely believe that the veil will fall in 2012, no one knows that for sure either. Some of us have seen visions of the distant future, so we were figuring on more time.
All I really know for sure is that Demurge tried to speed up the process, and we tried to slow it down, by subverting his efforts.
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Jan 3, 2009 2:08:14 GMT -5
Post by cassiel on Jan 3, 2009 2:08:14 GMT -5
You have a point since no one really knows except God when that preticular event will happen, and though some completely believe that the veil will fall in 2012, no one knows that for sure either. Some of us have seen visions of the distant future, so we were figuring on more time. All I really know for sure is that Demurge tried to speed up the process, and we tried to slow it down, by subverting his efforts. What happens to aeon, when its "pair", "counter-part" is "destroyed"? Would you say, they become very "imbalanced", tending to shift towards malevolence due to the lack of a counter weight?
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Jan 3, 2009 3:44:00 GMT -5
Post by Xavrael on Jan 3, 2009 3:44:00 GMT -5
Something like that. Supposedly thats how the one called Demurge came about (rather, not that he lost his counterpart (or twin), but was a prime example of not having one. However I don't think Aeons born with a counterpart and later on lose it (one of the few things that might be impossible) turn to malevolence just because.
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Jan 3, 2009 9:24:06 GMT -5
Post by KG on Jan 3, 2009 9:24:06 GMT -5
Good answer Xav. I think loosing a counterpart completely would be very unlikely or impossible, however there have been circumstances of temporary loss, and it varies from one aeon to another.
Demurge never had a counterpart, and they say he is neither male nor female. He tries to make it seem that is superior somehow, but he is very self conscious about it really, and he detests women, and sex, so I guess he has hang ups about it.
When Sophia crashed to earth, her mate was without her for many thousands of years. He stayed in heaven, and felt deserted. I read one text that said his name was a word that meant abandoned one, lonely one or something. He was apparently miserable, but I don't think he went bad in any way. He just waited. He could have attempted a rescue, or gone after her I guess, but he didn't. He just waited for Jesus to bring her back, which was about 2000 years ago.
I think there are some things that aeon couples do seperately, at least the ones I come in contact with, but I only know the ones close to Sophia. I'm not saying they aren't close with their mates, but they aren't all joined at the hip or anything. They visit without their mates. I think it probably varies from Aeon to Aeon, like human marriages vary from each other, and thus each would react differently if the other wasn't around.
As for myself an emination of Sophia, of which she has many, I am very attached to my mate. We are extremely close, and when we are incarnate, I have occasionally become very inbalanced when he is murdered physically, or harmed in any way. He died of natural causes in this life, when I was only 13. We continue to be together, and I feel his soul within me, and in heaven with me. I am with him to the point I could be considered a multiple personality. He isn't gone from me, but his physical absense on the physical plane is always hard to deal with on that level. I've had to marry other people before, not only because of his death, but because of the fact that in some historical periods people were not given a choice. There have also been times when we were not incarnated together for some reaon. WE are most always aware of each other though. I married someone in this life whom I have married before in past lives. I have Gary with me on the inside and in heaven. I basically contain his earthly soul as a walkin, and his spiritual self in heaven, as a counterpart.
I'd say the reaction to death or seperation from a spouce among aeons would be as varied as the reaction of humans on this plain. Some people go completely insane, some seek vengence, others stay weepy, and depressed. Some people are more upset than others at the loss of a spouce, but most people manage to go on in some form. It depends on the individual and the relationship as to what way grief would be expressed.
Kim
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Jan 3, 2009 11:01:30 GMT -5
Post by cassiel on Jan 3, 2009 11:01:30 GMT -5
Ah I see, they can be temporarily "removed" but not "eliminated" (counter-parts), at least not "easily" eliminated.
So why does Demurge not have a counter-part, seems pretty obvious its counter-part would be this "sophia" you speak of.
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