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Post by Ashira Bloodmoon on Feb 1, 2007 9:27:42 GMT -5
Being an "astral" being, my terms are the reverse of yours. My "physical" is your astral and as such, I have to peirce the veil from the opposite side. It seems a LOT harder for me to come across to your physical than it is for you to come to the astral. It was fortunate that I have a person who can channel me on the physical. It saves me energy. Where as Lan can come across and be able to interact with his own body, I have to use his to interact 99% of the time. I have come across once the way you come to the astral, that is, in a body of thought that has form, mass and solidity. I was bedridden for weeks afterwards because of the strain and loss of energy. My question is, does anyone have a theory on why it is so hard for an astral being to project to your astral and yet seemingly a LOT easier for a physical being to come to my plane?
Tail High!
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Post by ~Sephity~ on Feb 1, 2007 10:14:01 GMT -5
Well my theory's because the energy in the two diff. areas are much diff. The energy in the astral is easier to manipulate than the energy and the physical, and if someone from the astral wished to cross into the physical they'd basically have to make a body. Making a body would require a lot of energy, and a lot of different energies.
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Post by KG on Feb 1, 2007 11:34:28 GMT -5
Our world has the veil, which makes it very tangible and unflexible. I have heard of a couple of other worlds that are even more unflexible and controled by the Demurge. Most worlds though are very flexible, and some don't even have form. The astral body is like a puff of smoke when it goes there, and it mingles with other puffs, so that there is no here or there, or you or me. In the one I am thinking of now, things there just are, and it is a very holy place. IT is the place where the white light dwells. You could call it the throne of God or Nervana. Thought becomes collective, and there is complete telepathy and understanding between entities. Some are comfortable there, but many aren't and prefer to return to places like mine.
As for your situation, I think you have found the best way to exist in this realm, by inhabiting a living human, you have a physical body. As long as you and the human live peacefully it can be a very beautiful experience for both of you.
Do you have an etherial body, where you can walk around on this plane like a ghost? Many entites like yourself do have one, or develop one, but not all. Those who have them project out of the body in the same way anyone would AP. Some just stay in their other world, and come through into the consciousness... or in some cases unconscious of the person they live with.
As for making your body physical on this plane, it is generally considered impossible, or at least unlikely. If you project an astral form it can become somewhat tangible, maybe enough to move objects or be touched with some solidness on this plane. Some assended masters can appear as very tangible after their deaths. Jesus is one example of someone appearing in a seemingly physical way after death, but there are many others among Yogis, and various types of mystic traditions. They are rare though. IT takes a high degree of awareness, and a certain state of mind hard to master.
Gary and I work to make him more tangible, but it is difficult. He can be felt, and he can manipulate objects in emergencies, but mostly he acts through me. It takes a lot of energy to produce a sort of solidity, but even then it isn't exactly a physical body. It is like what people call a ghost. Some Ghosts are more apparent than others.
The other option is of course to incarnate, you could be incarnate somewhere already, in addition to being with Lan. I believe we are multiply incarnate in a lot of various worlds, and some of us have multiple souls living in our bodies. Incarnating would be a distraction from being with Lan, if you were aware of it. Most of us aren't aware of our multiple incarnations. At best we are aware of some of them. There would be pros and cons to incarnating on this plane, but if you decided to, and find that you aren't already, you would need to speak to your goddess, and find out when that is scheduled to happen. I am sure there are plans to incarnate you, on this plane, but as to when or as what, I wouldn't know.
Kim
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Post by ~Sephity~ on Feb 1, 2007 13:53:51 GMT -5
So I guess i was pretty much right about the whole energy prob. to making yourself solid?
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Post by Ashira Bloodmoon on Feb 3, 2007 19:17:53 GMT -5
I have a mist form that I use sometimes to travel a short distance from Lan from time to time, however I'm still linked to him. The one time I came as a fully manifested being, I was my own being except for our emotional links. I'd like to be able to er... play... with Lan at some point, but I don't want to wait for the Veil to thin enough to allow for that heheh... It's not very Vulpine of me, but.. yeah... I've been around Lan too long. He's creaming now to not blame him for my impatiens. Perhaps one day...
Tail high!
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Post by ~Sephity~ on Feb 3, 2007 22:08:52 GMT -5
Umm...practice makes perfect? I think it would help(this is by theory) if you tried becoming physical more often, but not trying to become completely physical everytime. Basically start out small, like your mist form, until it's like really easy for you, then move up, slowly but surely becoming more solid? I mean it might possibly work.
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Post by KG on Feb 3, 2007 23:16:59 GMT -5
Gary and I are essentially in the same situation, except that neither of us is a fox. He projects out of me, as a sort of ghost, and the degree to which I percieve him varies accoring to his ability to project, and also my ability to percieve at any given moment. At times he is almost physical to me, but at others, I can barely sense him. It is hard to maintain awareness when I am pre-occupied with external tasks and such.
Also I have learned that I cannot keep secrets from Gary, but if he holds a secret from me, then I can't sense him nearly as much. It is like he is holding back something, and therefore it creates a seperation.
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Post by Ashira Bloodmoon on Feb 4, 2007 0:06:13 GMT -5
I wish it was like that with Lan and I. We can keep secrets from each other, and sadly do... But sometimes it's worth it. He suprized me once with a pheasent dinner! It was a good secret.. though that's the rule, the exceptions are rather important at times... When he's astral, he burns me if he's holding something HUGE back... otherwise he feels like his typical dark self...
Tail high!
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Post by KG on Feb 4, 2007 13:25:51 GMT -5
We find that if he holds something back from me it interferes with all communication, and makes him seem distant or faint in my perceptions. Not having any secrets makes him feel closer. It could be because I am an empath and if he didn't hold back I would know. I can't hold back because of the way we are constructed. If it comes into my brain at all, he knows... unless he doesn't know and shields himself from the knowledge. He doesn't know the answers to questions I haven't thought of though. He does't always know how I will react to new information. That is why he holds things back.
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Post by Ashira Bloodmoon on Feb 6, 2007 0:35:11 GMT -5
Lan tries not to hold important things back, only little things... BUT IT IS STILL ANNOYING! I guess that's a dragon thing or something. I try to hold nothing back from him but at times it's needed until the information I have for him is of use. My predictions are not for the physical often, but they do play often later... usually far later.
Tail high!
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