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Post by Xavrael on Feb 8, 2009 22:48:13 GMT -5
It was somewhat strange actually. Had finished reading something in regards My/Xav's hatred for fallen, specifically "Lucifer" - it was in the Angel's thread.
Anyway, I remember asking myself where that hatred/anger came from and when i drew a blank, i decided to move on. For some reason after that I remember wondering about how cloth back in old times was made, wool, etc, not really sure why, it was just a thought.
I pictured a piece of cloth for a moment, and was met with a sort of random memory. seemed random anyway but it wasn't a memory from this lifetime heh.
Essencially, there was a woman, wearing white robes, not heavy ones though, her arms were bare, and she had a sort of hood, it didn't cover her face, and her long black or brunette hair was falling out of it, it was more of a shawl.
the was a golden light in the background and she was standing next to a fountain with crystal blue water.. the golden light seemed to be coming from a setting sun.
the scene itself was beautiful, and so was she - It recalled the question, in feeling, regarding, what had I lost? or what was taken from me?
In any case - thought that was somewhat odd.
a week or so before that, i was wondering something along the same lines, and was greeted with another "vision" - the woman appeared the same, though the one above mentioned was clearer. This one, i can't really remember her face at this point, though i do remember them having the same hair color about.
In this instance, she was standing on a beach, golden hue sunset again, but she was nude. It wasn't a sexual thing so much as an innocent thing, there were no perverted thoughts, it just was. I do remember that she was smiling and beckoning me over for a swim. But that is about it.
Both of these seemed rather random as I had moved on from the question in mind before actually seeing these two things. I had wanted to know but not exactly sure about these visions.
*head scratch*
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Post by KG on Feb 9, 2009 2:39:39 GMT -5
yes that facinating and occasionally annoying thread is very thought provoking. I think it has caused me to do a lot of soul searching too. It's cued some questions, and thoughts... maybe a vision or two in my own mind as well. Memories from this life and others.
Beautiful white winged angels with seathing hatred, and Mercy herself full of vengeance. Common sense tells me it should not be this way, and yet I'd be lying if I denied it. WE can remember reasons, I know I can, and there is no doubt in my mind that this entity I am angry with exists... I imagine he goes by other names, but I know him well, and I hate him... and that does seem bad, but somehow it is right too... but maybe I shouldn't take it so personally. I don't know.
Now this is very odd because I have been wondering about cloth back then too... or in heaven more than back then... that too though. I was actually wondering what my cloak was made of, and have had a strong desire to make a replica a few times in the last few months, but it feels like a strange thing to do, and so I put it out of my mind but it keeps coming back... mostly wondering what the fabric is exactly.
That interesting too, is it like a madonna cloak? Do you think it was a physical incarnation, or a spiritual or astral one?
The sophian's cloaks have a sort of hood, but they are not defined hoods, as much as just a cloth that drapes the entire body head to toe, but we usually wear a simple robe like dress under them. Other mother's dress somewhat similarly too. I do not know anyone who has a white one though. I think even the Virgin Mary has pale blue and white. There are several pale colors, though most tend to be darker reds, blues, and even black, (mine is black) but I can't think of who is pure white. Binah (Knowledge) possibly. I was too impressed the only times I have seen her to know what exactly she was wearing, but it seems like she was wearing white. LOL
Of course it could have been something in the physical realm, or it could be that it was an angel, though I don't remember seeing angels in hoods.
There are many fountains in the parts of heaven I am familiar with. It seems that of all the kinds of things I have seen Fountains are among the most common sights. Do you think it may have been heaven. I know of one that features white stone lotus flowers and lilly pad looking leaves also in stone. I know of another that features a statuary of many figures like the one you describe. They look fairly real from a distance. Also people often do stand next to them.
It isn't really odd, but it is very interesting. That is the way most of my memories start to surface. Just a few images, and a few words, and next thing you know you remember. You should try to meditate on this, and it will probably come back to you. Just relax and recall the part of the vision you saw. then just give yourself time to recall.
I know what you mean. I have a memory of a young man coming up from the sea after a swim, he was unclothed at least from the waist up. These things aren't sexual. There was a lot of love, but not lust. I have a flash of memory of the same guy beside me apparently not long after. His hair was hanging around his face in wet curly ringlets.
You are obviously starting to remember something you haven't remembered previously. It is hard to say where you remember it from. It could have been incarnate. Women of theholy lands, and the middle east in general, from around Babylon to Jerusalam have always covered their heads... ladies anyway. It is an age old tradition. Also as I said the mothers wear garments like that. There are probably others who have dressed that way too. There is nothing wrong with the nutity either, except it doesn't give us many clues. Everyone has a birthday suit. LOL
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Post by Xavrael on Feb 9, 2009 15:47:57 GMT -5
Can't really say though most of my memories as far as Xav goes is in the spiritual, it isn't physical. I remember a few memories in the physical but they had a different feeling to them. This vision seemed to feel more...surreal i guess i could say.
It wasn't really a hood so much as a cloth type head covering that did not extend past the forehead. The vision itself is kind of funny, because I thought about it further, taking the image in mind and just letting it play out without trying to make it go one way or another. She had a glow about her. She looked up and saw me - she smiled before she walked away or was pulled away playfully by some other women who i can only assume were her friends or individuals she knew.
As far as hooded angels or archangels go, Xav wears a hooded black robe, but generally i leave the hood down. Kind of iffy when you have two glowing blue orbs looking at you from a darkened hood.
It probably could have been heaven. The feeling of the place was different than memories where i am in the physical. And she just didn't exactly feel...like a flesh and blood human, she seemed to feel like something...more? Not to say that humans are lesser (much younger perhaps, but I wouldn't say lesser) - just that the feeling about her was something other than one might feel from a member of a mortal race.
And i'm not exactly how her robes were, just that they were white, she had bangals on, bronze or goldish, her arms were bare and they (her robes) just seemed light, not like heavy robes.
The fountain itself looked like pure white marble, the water sparkled. Can't remember too well what was on it though.
Edit: She had a sort of jug in her arms, like she was collecting some water from said fountain.
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Post by KG on Feb 9, 2009 18:47:25 GMT -5
Sounds like a heavenly vision to me. Some parts of heaven are that way, because they are like the natural world, only perfect. Everything looks too perfect to be on earth. Look at the pictures below and see if any of that looks like the robe or cloak you saw. I picked out ones that looked more or less authentic. It would not be unusual to see a group of us together. I guess that would be a trip with the hood up. It seems like the hood and cloak would be awkward with the wings too. How do you manage that. Looks like it would get tangled up. I know what you mean. I am very different in heaven than here on earth and I am sure you are too. yes that makes sense. I was noticing on some of these that the paintings tend to have higher necklines and are more likely to have sleaved dresses than the actual us. I think the artists were being modest for us. My dress is much lower cut. I think my heart Chakra has to ventilate or something, cause my dresses are lower. I also do not usually have these long sleaves. That would be logical. The fountains are usually stone, and white is a popular color, though sometimes the figures in them are colored to match what they are. Jade is used for leaves on the white stone lotis flowers of one of the fountains I pass regularly. Yes, we do carry water from the fountain, because the water has healing properties. One fountain is really spectacular because it has the figures of over 5000 life sized Madonnas in it. The top one pours water down from a piture over twelve others, who in turn pour water down on more of them and the bottom is encircled by statues who pour water to the outside for people to put their cups and pitures under. If the water is not recieved it just recirculates. All the life sized madonnas are wearing their different colored cloaks, which are made out of semi precious stones, mine is onyx inlaid with gold, and most feature gold inlay. Some are Lapis, and many other kinds of stones. It is an amazing sight. Here are some obviously inspired pictures of different members of our race. Anybody look familiar? Our energy is similar, and so even if you don't recognize an individual you might pick up on the commonality of our spirits. There are thousands of us, but most people do not realize we are a race. A few people do realize that the madonnas are all different, and that we do different things. Not all of us are the mother of Christ, but one is. Virgin Mary Virgin of Guadalupe Madonna of Roses Mercy Hey!!! This chick is wearing my cloak! LOL Maybe it's supposed to be me. I do have a little insignia right there on the left chest like that too, but I need to blow this up on photo shop to try and figure out if it is the same one. This one's energy reminds me of Del. I always thought it was her, but it is hard to tell. This one's robe hangs more like most do, but it is short... Most of them are longer, but some have this shorter smaller look This is a very elaborate robe, and the artwork is stialized, but I like the energy.
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Post by Xavrael on Feb 10, 2009 21:50:48 GMT -5
The first picture. There wasn't any baby blue in it though, and her hair was much darker, closer to black than brown. Her robes were also sleeveless but the part on her head was pretty much the same (again though, without the blue).
Can't really tell if her eyes were green or blue, it's hard to remember.
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Post by KG on Feb 11, 2009 11:23:28 GMT -5
She sounds like one of our race. The one in blue is the Virgin Mary herself, but when I see her she looks more ethnic. She has darker hair, and darker eyes than the little statue. I like the statue cause the robe looks right, and the energy is very nice on it. I think the virgin Mary is more majestic though. More like the feeling you describe. It could have been her, since the blue part comes off seperately from the white part of her costume, maybe she had taken it off, or it could be another one. I don't know all of them, though I have seen us all together many times. I can try to see who wears all white next time we are all together. If I find her I'll try to find out who she is.
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Post by Innocence on Feb 12, 2009 19:39:06 GMT -5
Lucifer, as a fallen angel, destroyed ignorance.
until his fall, ignorance was no different than innocence. the less you were aware, the more pure you were considered.
Lucifer didnt like that. he encouraged innocence to be equatable to awareness, not ignorance. of course, this starts a gigantic chain reaction wherein many innocent people are no longer seen as just innocent, but stupid. it doesnt take much for human beings to misconstrue spiritual influences. lucifer only wanted innocence to hold power in this world, but the effect was the destruction of innocence, and the use of other people's ignorance as a means to power.
Cloth represents supposed intelligence and the awareness of the fact that we are nude.
our childlike innocence is the true source of power in this world. the ignorance of that is used to maintain artificial power.
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Post by KG on Feb 12, 2009 22:44:02 GMT -5
LOL well he may have tried anyway. It seems to be alive and well on planet earth. You can't ever kill anything to the point it doesn't come back. That is an interesting thought... until HIS fall? I don't remember back nearly that far. It must have been an interesting world... but no one could observe that it was interesting if that was the case. I've seen that. It isn't just innocence either. It is also being optimistic, or even trusting, that gets you labled stupid. Idealists, benevolent people, givers, and the non judgmental who are willing to give others the benefit of the doubt, are all considered stupid in today's society. Yes ignorance is a powerful force especially in times of mob mentality. Ignorant people are often taken advantage of, and coerced into doing awful things. It comes down to the knowledge of the fact we are naked, and the whole concept of covering our nakedness. Modesty is what most people call it... and I have heard all about the virtues of that sort of modesty. Modesty, and covering your body, is what you do to keep from being raped, or becoming an object of lust, for the ignorant as nearly as I can sum it up. It apparently doesn't work too well though. Those women in the middle east stay covered head to toe, and they still get raped. In excess modesty of that type can negate a person, even a whole gender. It dehumanizes, and nakedness can dehumanize too, when it is forced. I have seen the idea of modest clothing used to intimidate women and make them subserviant, and self conscious. It isn't just the muslims, some Christian groups do it too, as do people all over the world. Clothing and also the lack of it, is a weapon used especially on women. Modesty, Fashion... and the painful shoes, nudity in magazines, it is all a different flavor of the same nasty Kool Aid. Men are not nearly as hobbled by that. They don't even think about what they wear most of the time. I remember as a teen our youth director sat in front of us in tight jeans and a form fitting tank top and lectured about modest dress. I raised my hand and corrected him. If I can't wear a low cut shirt and tight jeans then why should he. He looked just as good for a male as I did for a female. Frankly he looked very sexy to me, but he'd never thought of it. Personally I didn't mind him looking that way, but I couldn't figure out what was wrong with either one of us dressing in whatever we liked. He took the critizism well, and never mentioned clothing again. Modesty was invented to repress women, and so is the opposite. Men can't decide if they want our clothes on or off, and we are supposed to go along with whichever they say at the time. I think there are good reasons for clothing though, that make sense. It is a shelter from both cold, and sun. It is protection against thorns, insect bites, and the teeth and claws of animals, and to a certain degree from the weapons of humans. It can also be used to conceal things, and to protect objects from damage, and as a way to carry things, like having pockets. I think clothing can be used to express our uniquness or to hide it. It can make us look alike or different from others. I think if one can be comfortable nude, that shows a lot of confidence. To not feel vernerable without your clothing is an art, because that little instinct to cover is there, even in the boldest of us. It is a taboo, which we feel to the core. I suppose it may be as a result of the fall of man, cause it seems almost universal. I have noticed.
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Post by cassiel on Feb 15, 2009 1:22:34 GMT -5
Lucifer, as a fallen angel, destroyed ignorance. until his fall, ignorance was no different than innocence. the less you were aware, the more pure you were considered. Lucifer didnt like that. he encouraged innocence to be equatable to awareness, not ignorance. of course, this starts a gigantic chain reaction wherein many innocent people are no longer seen as just innocent, but stupid. it doesnt take much for human beings to misconstrue spiritual influences. lucifer only wanted innocence to hold power in this world, but the effect was the destruction of innocence, and the use of other people's ignorance as a means to power. Cloth represents supposed intelligence and the awareness of the fact that we are nude. our childlike innocence is the true source of power in this world. the ignorance of that is used to maintain artificial power. Enlighten me, tell me more.
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Post by innocence on Feb 15, 2009 19:51:41 GMT -5
what more to say? i was a LITTLE off saying he did destroy ignorance, it was more he was trying to destroy the direct correlation between ignorance and innocence.
he wasnt alone in that, and i dont think lucifer was even behind the initial idea either. but the point is that lucifer tired of people who were considered innocent being spoiled by awareness. many so called innocent people would become corrupt upon expanding their intelligence due to the fact that their innocence was/is equatable to ignorance. unawareness.
Many beings sought to correct this so that innocence was about purity of mind and spirit, not just being too stupid to cause harm. being smart enough to cause harm, but wise enough not to.
with intent comes obstacle and resistance. lucifer sought to change purity, others sought to keep it the same as it had always been.
too much conflict, and no one seems to see the source of it all. oh i wouldnt claim to be able to so dont ask me. i think it's ego more than anything but what do i know?
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Post by cassiel on Feb 16, 2009 2:00:35 GMT -5
what more to say? i was a LITTLE off saying he did destroy ignorance, it was more he was trying to destroy the direct correlation between ignorance and innocence. he wasnt alone in that, and i dont think lucifer was even behind the initial idea either. but the point is that lucifer tired of people who were considered innocent being spoiled by awareness. many so called innocent people would become corrupt upon expanding their intelligence due to the fact that their innocence was/is equatable to ignorance. unawareness. Many beings sought to correct this so that innocence was about purity of mind and spirit, not just being too stupid to cause harm. being smart enough to cause harm, but wise enough not to. with intent comes obstacle and resistance. lucifer sought to change purity, others sought to keep it the same as it had always been. too much conflict, and no one seems to see the source of it all. oh i wouldnt claim to be able to so dont ask me. i think it's ego more than anything but what do i know? And where is Lucifer now?
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Post by innocence on Feb 16, 2009 4:57:59 GMT -5
That's a toughie, could be hell, could be limbo, could be right around the corner from the dominos. i dont think it would be likely he would have gone back to heaven unless he never fell in the first place... i've heard of people talking about him going back though.
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Post by Shadow of Light on Feb 20, 2009 17:38:18 GMT -5
Well Lucifer, there's an interesting topic. That may just because of my facination for anything with a supposed "darker" nature. Well although I don't carry any such hatred as most for him. He is actually quite facinating.
Small interesting fact. Lucifer is called "the bringer of light" as one of his titles, Jesus is called "The Light" Is there a correlation?
As for how I see his actions, I see lucifer as teh Arch Angel of free will. Without him there wouldn't have been choice and that is something which would have been an epic failure of eternity. Life without freewill is empty, boring and repetitive. Although most see him as an adversary, he is not the adversary, he is jsut one who acts out of free will. I think this is originally where a lot of hate comes in place for him, before his "fall" no one "defied God" Yet he refused when intructed to bow before anyone but God himself. So although a servant of God, he "sacrificed" (much like jesus did in a way with his mortality) his devinity to offer free will. This in turn triggered the ability to feel hate, fear and various other "negative" emotions. Creating a free reality where one has choice. Such a change was not understood by many and thus the angelic war. Eventually centuries of dogma and the story being corrupted led to lucifer's act of sacrifice being seen as an act of sin rather than a Gift. Thus the act of him not bowing before Jesus or man got seen as an act of pride and thus they saw his fall as a punishment rather than a sacrifice. The destruction of innocence and the perfect world "Eden" As a whole new range of emotions and actions became possible.
I don't worship lucifer but I do respect him. Judge someone whether enity or otherwise from your experiences with them rather than by reputation or stories about them. If we judged each other like that, you'd walk up to a lot more girls who are considered "sluts and whores" and get laid. Pardon the crude example but that's basically what has happened.
Everything has a cost, at the end of the day you have to determine if you're willing to pay that cost. There are many Angels who have paid a cost of sorts. One just has to look from outside the box that was created for us.
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