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Post by Shadow of Light on Nov 18, 2006 18:29:59 GMT -5
not removing it but taking the choice of when I should or would "normally" experience it out of the hands of socieity and into my own.
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Post by Kata Samoes on Nov 18, 2006 22:25:57 GMT -5
I've had multiple chances to not die, and I refused them. Not because I do not fear death, but with the work I constantly do? I enjoy the times I can do more in one "average" day without incarnation, then when I have a form in this realm.
After that, it takes a lot of work to become and stay immortal, especially when it comes to your mind. The mortal mind deteriorates in this material realm, as it exists on the physical plane.
After all of that, you no longer enjoy even the simple pleasures without extreme measures taken up you by abstinence.
Is that truly worth it?
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Post by tara on Dec 28, 2006 12:16:01 GMT -5
After all of that, you no longer enjoy even the simple pleasures without extreme measures taken up you by abstinence. Is that truly worth it? No it isn't.......... Specially seeing your loved ones been born grow up and die, your friends, family, it gets lonely.............. is not worth it...
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Post by Shadow of Light on Dec 30, 2006 17:06:10 GMT -5
well it's an assumption that if you achieve immortality on that level that bodily parts would still deterioate. There are the chinese myths of immortals that still walk amoung us today, I'll see if I can dig up names or at leasta site or two
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Post by stonerwolf on Dec 30, 2006 17:17:55 GMT -5
Lu Bu? lol
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Post by lordazurath on Oct 29, 2007 21:09:33 GMT -5
immortality... a concept known as many as eternal life..
but in actuallity it is a curse
because in no way once you achieve immortality can you die. you cannot ascend nor descend
you are stuck in the physical world for all eternity.. even AFTER the end.. i see no reason for wanting immortality, other than senseless human greed.
" in the land of immortals the truth lies, in the land of truth, immortality lies. In-between the setting moon, and rising sun, the immortals gaurd a secret, the secret of time. every thousand years, a person finds this secret, and joins the immortals, to be forgotten for a thousand years..."
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Post by a'Lan Mandragoran on Oct 30, 2007 21:17:57 GMT -5
Where does that quote come from, Azurath? I've heard it once before.
I beg to differ. My first incarnation ever was astral, more acuratly, before the split between realms. Not much more before, but enough that I saw the beginnings of it.
Reincarnation is not nessisarily liniar and therefore we are all immortal in some way. I've sen times past and times in the future on the same line. The trick is remembering everything between lives. It is there, the secrets to imortality lay. Who cares about the flesh and bone when the spirit DOES live forever.
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Post by lordazurath on Oct 30, 2007 21:30:58 GMT -5
i made it.. well.. i made it a LONG time ago, probably in a past life..
and the immortality i'm talking about.. the never dieng no matter what, no death because of a bomb dropped on you kind of immortality..
and yes, the soul is immortal in all ways, but most people do not care..
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Post by KG on Oct 31, 2007 6:23:43 GMT -5
The physical is just one part of our existance. Some people are never aware of anything else... even if they are religious, and believe in eternal life they may not ever notice anything but their dreary physical lives. Most people tend to get very caught up in the physical, but that doesn't mean that is all their is.
We have many parts and we are not contained completely within a physical body. I believe we are simultaneously incarnated elswhere, in the astral. I have theroized a person could have 32 or more other existances going on all the time, each with its own awareness, and perhaps a central awareness, aware of all of them. WE can learn to shift the awareness that is in our physical bodies from one life to another, and become aware of at least one, and sometimes a few of our existances. Most people can't handle being aware of all of them, and ofcourse there is no way to consciously experience all of them at once. It would probably make a person crazy to hold 32 different positions in our awareness and it would be very hard for our physical brain to comprehend. Flipping between them is distracting and difficult when you are busy in the physical. As you develop these awareneses, each person has to develop their own balance of awareness, so that you don't waste your physical incarnation, in deep trance just experiencing other worlds, and on the other hand not getting so caught up in physical life that you think that is the only priority.
I tend to be more aware of the spiritual part of myself which is in heaven, but I have other incarnations. I know of two more besides heaven and here. I can be very arware of one of them if I choose because my nature there is more like myself than the other one. I have a lot of trouble understanding the other. I have traveled to people I know, in other worlds, and that is easier cause at least I know someone there. LOL
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Post by lordazurath on Oct 31, 2007 16:18:34 GMT -5
well i mean, there is no way to kill a soul.. you can absorb one, you can mix them, you can even use it, but they never dissapper, so therfore they are not mortal anyways.. and as for immortality, one must be mortal first to be immortal. even "Gods" were once mortal, when there was nothing but themselfs.
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Post by stonerwolf on Feb 15, 2008 14:24:18 GMT -5
"gods" (or egos) were (are) mortal because of the soul effect; absorbing, mixing, & using. Their mortality exists solely in their ego, as when they are changed, mixed, or used, they must change into the effects caused by usage, mixture, or absorption.
Seeing as how a "god" or superior being can either be all powerful and all knowing, or alien... a god must be spiritual, or astral-like in nature and being.
Therefore, a god lives on the superconscious level of thought, that place above the greater self, which the greater self creates.
it is not as linear as suggested, but an example of how it works is:
We, the physical, Consciously create new life and thoughts and ideas for the wastral realm to use. the Astral side of us is our Subconscious and it is here where we dwell on the resources created, given, and/or acquired through experiences in the physical reality; our conscious throughts are stored on the surface subconscious, which sink deeper as they are used infrequently. the Spiritual realm is beneath the subconscious' depths, where we generally create and store our most personal information and identities. our higher selves live here and are the root of our physical bodies, lives & karma, and where we find unity of the self, through which we find unity amongst all expressions of life. the Superconscious realm, or hevens/hells realms, is a vague expression of the physical; the physical as an idea, rather than in practice. Not to confuse the difference between conscious and superconscious, the consciosus mind is merely our awareness of thought, physical impulses of the brain, and experience. the Superconscious mind is where the idea comes from before it is experienced or consciously grasped; like gravity, or the thoughts and emotions of animals, we cannot fully express these things, like infinity, ourselves. so too are we inexcapably inable to fully express our subconscious or conscious minds' thoughts and ideas, as they are all a part of the Superconscious Infinite All.
as far as immortality, we're jsut not in the right places or times to accomplish that.
Bruce Lee might have been the closest human being to achieve something close to a true immortality, in my opinion.
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Post by lordazurath on Feb 16, 2008 16:39:35 GMT -5
i don't think there is any such thing as immortality.. or mortality. i think, everything will exist for eternity, or until everything stops existing. everything is infinite, and everything is bound. its really a contradicting paradox, of real and nonreal.
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