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Post by stonerwolf on Jan 10, 2006 16:29:34 GMT -5
because dreams are VERY MUCH personal things, it is often best not to allow others to give you insight as to what they mean, as they pertain to YOUR LIFE.
what one dream symbol might represent to one person might be the complete opposite of what it is trying to tel YOU.
im not saying it's a bad idea to search for other people's insight, but it is a good idea not to listen to them lol
overall, you mist anaylize your dreams yourself.
the most important part in interpreting your dreams is ti try and recreate them in your mind untill they are vivid and memorable.
from there, you can begin to pick them apart and try to think about what each event means to you, or what it represents, you must anaylize what each 'thing' in your dream has to do with your life now, how each color, sound, and vibrancy of light makes you feel.
because no two people are alike, a single dream can be interpreted into and beyond infinity.
this is why it is best for you to interpret it for yourself without outside influence, so as to get the most whole and pure interpretation for YOURSELF.
other guides might list a whole junkload of dream symbols and try to tell you what they mean, but ultimately they are yours, and for you to interpret.
an example would be red cars at high speeds in dark tunnels.
the color could mean you're overactive, or have too much energy, the darkness of the tunnel could bring security to you, and the speed of the cars could represent the way you are living your life.
but this is completely subjective, for another person it could mean that they arent getting enough energy, and they are taking things too slow, and/or have a fear of the unknown.
you must apply the symbols to your emotions and current situations in life.
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Post by Del on Jan 10, 2006 19:49:08 GMT -5
because dreams are VERY MUCH personal things, it is often best not to allow others to give you insight as to what they mean, as they pertain to YOUR LIFE. what one dream symbol might represent to one person might be the complete opposite of what it is trying to tel YOU. im not saying it's a bad idea to search for other people's insight, but it is a good idea not to listen to them lol overall, you mist anaylize your dreams yourself. Okay, but if this is soo new to you and you haven't an inkling as to where to start, I'm sure ther's nothing wrong with having some guidance. If you're faith is entirely different and these dreams persist, at least getting some headway I think is good. If I don't know what the thing is to begin with how can I give it a meaning? THe foundation of hte object, because I do believe that there's a possibility to not interpret your dreams correctly meaning you may thing it means something and you push towards that meaning yet the opposite happens and you realize you interpret it wrong. This has happened to me in the past, but I've gotten better at trying to understand what I see. Sometimes I do get stumped and haven't a clue and I do ask for insight and based on what I hear I go with what feels right. So yes, I continuously have others interpret my dreams and there are a few that I just toss out of the window because it just doesn't fit. Or i pick apart a few things and say yes, that's right or no, that's not right. It is good to develop that skill but if you still need that help, that's not a problem. I am bad at divination...even for myself. I just can't seem to get what the tools are saying. I need to look at the guide book to even get an idea and I get an unclear meaning. I can interpret what the tool says but trying to apply it to what's going on right now...at that point in time, I jsut don't get it. This is a skill like any other. With time it gets better. So starting off with help to develop your own skills is good. Eventually one will come to find that looking to other people is a drag and will be accostomed to what to look for. So outside influence is beneficial so as long as one looks to becoming indepent with this skill. As in all things, one has to be indepent with their skills but it doesn't hurt to have help. [qutoe]other guides might list a whole junkload of dream symbols and try to tell you what they mean, but ultimately they are yours, and for you to interpret.[/quote]You have to have some type of foundation before you can even start. How else would you know what you're doing? Right but you need to at least understand what that symbol means.
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Post by stonerwolf on Jan 10, 2006 19:58:09 GMT -5
the symbolic meaning is still up to interpretation in the end.
there are many symbols, rather infinite...
you could list them all, but that's kinf of pointless, as they are only examples of infinity... or near such.
in our case, i'd say at least 6 or 7 billion lol
that's up to 7 billion different meanings to one dream. one per person, you know?
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Post by Del on Jan 10, 2006 23:54:23 GMT -5
I understand that but I still think that you need to start somewhere.
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Post by KG on Jan 14, 2006 1:45:53 GMT -5
There is nothing wrong in either POV. Some people benefit a lot from a good dream dictionary, and I found that my subconscious was so eager to communicate that it learned my first Dream interpretation book by heart, and started using those symbols. It was like the little guy trapped in my subconscious said, "OK we have been trying to get a message out for a while, and she doesn't speak our language, but she is trying now. Lets meet her half way, cause there is a lot of stuff we have to tell her!" In other words my subconscious complied to the symbols as presented, and put forth a clear cut opinion based on dream symbols which it learned from the book.
Of course that was just for dreams which started in my subconscious. That doesn't cover visions, or any sort of spiritual experiences in dreams, but I always understood that kind pretty well anyway.
On the other hand I see exactly what Stoner is saying, and most dream books will Explain very carefully that each symbol is colored by the individual. for example if Four different people dream of a church.One is a pastor who's study is in the church. another is a devout Christian, who has left the church. for philosophical reasons. another has no real feelings about church one way or another, but sometimes visits as christmas. the last one is a militant atheist who resents churches. None of these dreams mean the same thing, even if every aspect of the dream was the same.
For the pastor, the church may have the same meaning as a business man's office, or the housewife's home. For the guy who left the church it could be a symbol of divorce or abandonment.The guy who doens't go to church much, but isnt' opposed to it, may have the text book interpretation, because the church of itself doesn't mean that much to him. For the last one it could symbolize an enemy structure or encampment. That is how dreams seem to work. But they are still full of basic symbology, and once you learn your own symbology, you should use it. I find that the same symbols are used over and over in my dreams, and wehn there are variations I take notice.
I also find that a good friend who knows you well can be a lot of help in interpreting a dream. They may have more of a clue to your psyche than you do. Sometimes the friend has familiarity with your situaiton, and can still be objective.
So You are both right. I think any attempt to interpret your dreams builds a communication with the inner, subconscious self, and the universe. It is a good exercise, and if you keep trying you will learn to interpret your dreams eventually. In general whatever works for you, is the best route to take.
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Post by stonerwolf on Jan 14, 2006 1:52:33 GMT -5
problem with me is i almost never dream... or am almost never able to remember them...
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Post by stonerwolf on Jan 14, 2006 2:05:49 GMT -5
ok, imma post a dream i had a couple nights ago... i barely remember much of it... so... let's have at it.
it was a familiar place, that doesnt exist, but if it did, it would be right around wher emy grandma's house is now, just a quarter of a mile north from my mom's.
it doesnt look anything alike, it's flat, and there are far fewer trees, and it's mirrored. where my grandma's house is (mirrored) is a gas station of sorts there's a store too... i've been here before a few times, so i know about what it looks like and all.
well i was walking toward my mom's house with two others... one was big and dark, and i dont remember much about him/her/it, and the other was a handsom man who seemed to make me feel secure, even though i didnt know him, and i had that whole stranger-intimidation thing going on... yet i felt i could relate to the guy... i can barely make out his face now, so im afraid i wont be able to give a discription, but i think he was blond, and had wavey hair.
the other one was in front of us, and i was on the blond guy's left hand side, as we walked on the left side of the road.
that's all i remember, i dont remember what he had talked to me about, or anything that happened before and/or after this point.
it was quite hazy when i woke up, and it's even hazier now...
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Post by KG on Jan 15, 2006 19:20:56 GMT -5
Ok if I was going to guess, I think this means that you look to your grandmother as a source of power, and comfort. Her home is a place where you can get what you need, and she makes you feel empowered, like having a full tank of gas. She might also cook well. LOL Overall, your grandmother means a lot to you, and at least at one time, was a major source of security for you.
I would also try to remember advice your grandma has given you over the years, and the strength she has tried to instill in you as you were growing up. Look at the example she provided, and what her life is really saying to you as an example.
For some reason the blond guy makes me think of Gary my soul mate. He always puts off a sense of security, but other than the possibility you ran into my sweetie in the astral, LOL I think probably this person represents the possibility of making a new friend that would make you feel more confident.
I consulted a dream dictionary for the meaning of you being on the left, and on the left side of the road.
Overall I see a need expressed here. You are too adult to be dependent on your grandma, and she is probably getting to old to be your symbol of security. So you are now seeking friends, who can lend you security, while walking beside you. You want a friend who is strong enough, and smart enough, and that you can trust and relate to enough, so that you can take the passive side without worry. You don't really want to be the leader, and would like a strong leader as a friend, but he can't be some overconfident jerk, full of BS. You want someone who is the real deal. The blond man too, is gentle and passive, but with inner power, and a sense of strength and security. He is a real man. He is quietly confident of that and has nothing to prove, by showing off.
The large dark one in the front? Something leading you, and you are following. You don't truely percieve what it is, but yet you yield up your own power, influence and control, not only to your friend, whom you take the passive side to, but also to follow something you don't fully understand.
Now I have to point out that often in dreams people represent aspects of the self, but as a mystic, you may see your seperate aspects, as people within you... still friends, just on the inside.
I think what you are looking at is your guiding force, leading you on your path in life. The path is taking you back home, but it is your intuition, guidance, and dharma to go there. Everything keeps leading you to your home, or the place where you truely belong... whether that is you and your mom's actual house or somewhere else, only symbolized by your current home... I don't know.
Fruther you are looking at the strong leadership qualites that you have, which is your power as a man, and seeing it as external to yourself. You cannot identify fully with your masculine power, though you see it in others and admire it. You are taking a passive role, not realizing that the powerful male role is really a part of you also.
I think your dream is telling you that you have more strength than you realize, but you will only find that strength as you asimilate the strong characteristics you sensed in your blond friend, who is really a part of you that you have closed off, because of your own preconceptions of yourself. I think the message is to be the strong powerful, confident, no nonsense guy you were born to be, and that society, and life experience, has somehow tricked you out of.
That is just my interpretation, and as you said, you are the best judge of whether that makes sense.
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Post by stonerwolf on Jan 15, 2006 20:54:29 GMT -5
oh, crap, i should have mentioned that my grandma's been dead since i was five... and i dont know the people who moved into that house just before she passed away...
lol that changed a lot, huh?
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Post by KG on Jan 15, 2006 21:42:25 GMT -5
Not necessarily that much. IT is still a symbol of where you come from, and physical death means little when it comes to ancestors, friends, relatives, and various past life associates, at least in my own life. I still talk to my grandparents. I also talk to my sister who died at birth. I always have, but I wasn't always consciously aware of it. I have always known her, even so though I didn't always know who she was. Gary's body died when I was only 13, but we have been together constantly for the last 2000 years. It didn't begin with his death, although the quality of it changed at different times through that. At times I was aware, and at times I wasn't. Sometimes I understood part of the situation, and other times I was completely confused about why he was still with me. As a kid I wondered how he could talk to me in my head, and my mom couldn't hear him when we sat across the table from each other at the dinner table, but he was always with me. Living or dead. My Dad is still living, but when I see my dad in my soulscape, he appears no differently, than my Grandfather who died about 20 years ago. Death is a strictly physical thing, and doesn't really change anything. Gary says he doesn't believe in death. It doesn't exist for him. See his poems on the main site. www.angelfire.com/crazy/spiritsense/Poems%20by%20Gary%201.htmThese are poems channeled through me, by a guy who has been physically dead for 32 years. He says he doesn't feel dead. LOL He doesn't feel dead to me either.
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Post by stonerwolf on Jan 15, 2006 22:17:14 GMT -5
well i've never really mentally talked to anyone but myself... if anyone else, i am not aware of it...
i dont like not being aware of things either lol
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Post by KG on Jan 15, 2006 23:02:29 GMT -5
Well Stoner, I think my problem has always been that I experience things on a lot of different levels, and I haven't always understood them at all. As a kid I was just wide open. I heard people's thoughts in words sometimes, especially Gary's but other people's too occasionally. I saw visions of things that happened to other people, both living and dead through their eyes as if it were happening to me. I saw astral creatures that scared me to death.
At first I told my mom, but even in my preschool days I figured out that it wasn't a good idea, because she didn't believe me, and I overheard my parents talking. It was obvious they were worried that there was something wrong with me. I just had to pretend that I didn't see the things I saw. I pretended so hard that I often seemed disinterested in people I really cared about, and witheld a lot of information, simply because I didn't know what I could tell to whom. Eventually it faded, a little, at least to the point I could see that it was of a different quality than real life, but as a pre schooler there was no way to tell physical from astral, other than trying to decide if something was possible in the physical or not.
When I was 13 Gary died, but he was with me astrally before I found out he was dead. I knew he was with me, right then at 13, but eventually he suggested that I was just grief stricken, because he decided the knowledge of his being with me would be detrimental to me. So I continued to experience his presence, but there was something denying it, at the same time. I didn't understand why I still experienced him, and I didn't know it was him sometmes, because I was experiencing so much, and he was trying to hide the fact he was with me. There were so many times I knew... and so many times that got denied, or subliminated, or just lost in the shuffle of experiences that I wasn't sure were real or not.
Psychologically we misfile experiences that aren't connected in a continuous way in or psyche. It is called disassociation. I not only had visions, or halucinated depending on one's POV, I dis-associated, so that at times I couldn't remember what I had seen, because there was nothing in my psyche that could explain what I had experienced. People frequently do that with information they obtain psychicly, but it is still there. Once you find that lost file, it sort of clicks together, like those bogus TV shows about people recovering from amnesia. Someday something will trigger your memory, and you will start to understand your own story. I had a lot of things going on through my life, some I understood right away, and others I am only begining to understand. I am 45 so it can take time to get some of the key pieces. I was not consciously aware I was speaking to the dead, except when I was 13, and again when I was in my 40's until then I was aware I talked to angels, and I didn't understand some of the other experiences I had at all. The inside of my mind was always in conversation. Sometimes I thought that was me, sometimes I thought it was God, or an angel, and sometimes I called it my intuition, or I would channel Gary and call it my uncontrolable temper. (It only worked when I was in actual danger though... or when he saw a potential for danger.) I never knew what it was, and I didn't control it past deciding to let it go. It was much more creative in defending me than I was. LOL
Anyway I have always experienced things, but there were a lot of things I didn't understand, and a lot more that I didn't connect with anything and forgot until something triggered my memory. You will get it eventually, but you do have to seek it out.
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Post by stonerwolf on Jan 15, 2006 23:43:00 GMT -5
i dont know how to seek it... i dont know anything and this is excruciatingly frustrating right now cuz my parents wanting me to get a job, and not understanding how badly i dont want to compromise my beliefs in doing so... and having noplace to turn for help, no friends, nothing...
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Post by KG on Jan 16, 2006 1:42:12 GMT -5
Well you must know something, or you wouldn't know about your beliefs about money. I mean you have to admit thouse are obscure. How did you come about those beliefs? What made you decide to feel this way? Was it logic of some kind, or instinct, or was is spiritual guidance? Clueless people don't have strong beliefs. I personally don't share your calling exactly, nor do I completely understand it, but I have to respect it if it comes from the heart.
I only know how my belief system works, and in my system, I would pray. I would seek God for an answer for what to do. I would go somewhere quiet and alone, and I would spend as much time as possible trying to open up to God. I woul probably read my bible, or the Gita, the sayings of Buddha, the Tao or some other holy book for a while, and then try to open up. I would pray in my own language, honestly, and ask God what to do, and then I would expect an answer. I would keep praying till I got one. The old time preachers called that praying through, and it always works. IT might take hours, or several sessions of hours over a few days time. It might be that God will tell you more about what you are supposed to do, or help you understand about your calling. He might even tell you that you misunderstood about the money thing... if so you would have to accept whatever he meant by that, in the first place.
You could ask God, Christ, Gaia, or Sophia, but whichever one you pray to will give you the right answer, and the same answer as the others would have, though probably worded different.
God is always there, and he is the one you should turn to if you can't find anyone else to turn to.
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Post by stonerwolf on Jan 16, 2006 18:05:03 GMT -5
BUT IM ALWAYS ASKING FOR HELP... if they're helpping me, i sure as hell dont realize it i've asked for help from god, gaia, and i think christ in the past, but i have yet to experiance any helpful hints, or maybe im blocking them out subconsciously? i dunno, in any case, this is proving to be more work than it's worth
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