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Post by Ko'an Noi on Jul 25, 2008 9:07:26 GMT -5
I didn't know where else to put this, so I put it here. If an admin person wants to move it, fine by me. This may be kind of rambling, so if you're confused, just ask questions until I clarify it for you. This may be completely uninteresting to you, but I felt like putting it up because I thought it was pretty neat. So, me being my curious-about-all-sorts-o'-metaphysical-things self decided to buy the book Solitary Witch by Silver RavenWolf. I'm paging through, normal as can be, when I realize I've read a crapload of things mentioning Sagittarius and Jupiter. Sagittarius is my zodiac, and that makes Jupiter my ruling planet. Then , I look at the Witch's Tree of Power, and see that the holiday Samhain (apparently pronounced sow-in, not sam-hane) is at the top. (If I could find a picture I would, or scan it on, but my scanner doesn't work) So, the Samhain "fact file" on the WToP - Ruling planet: Jupiter Associated with: Spirit (of the Mother/Goddess, Father/God, and the Spirit which is in all) Moon phase: New moon Celebrates: Solar death, lunar birth Good for: working with the dead AKA: Halloween, Hallowmas, All Hallow's Eve, etc So, this has me all sorts of "Holy F**k!". I already know that my ruling planet is Jupiter, so that connects the holiday with me. As a person, I'm kind of "oogie-boogie", death doesn't perturb me, I associate with ghosts, and had planned on being a major in Forensic Science, and become a medical examiner. I also happen to be a little (*coughcough*) morbid (some would say very morbid). I've also always felt closer to the night (being the night-owl that I am) and the moon. Samhain celebrates lunar birth. So there ya go. Anyway, onto the significance of Jupiter and Sagittarius. My birthday is in December, and happened to be on a Thursday. Now, you'd think the day wouldn't matter that much, but, nooo. It does. Except, in Solitary Witch, Saturn is up top. Not that it really matters in the full course on things. Anyway. If you start with the moon, that symbolizes Monday. You can then work your way around the heptagram in the weekday order. Monday: Moon Tuesday: Mars Wednesday: Mercury Thursday: Jupiter Friday: Venus Saturday: Saturn Sunday: Sun ( duh) So, the Thursday "fact file": Ruling planet: Jupiter Element: Fire Associated zodiac: Sagittarius Moving onto Jupiter. Besides the stuff we already know (above), to reiterate the most important part, Jupiter rules Sagittarius. Sagittarius is visited by the sun Nov. 22/23 through Dec. 21/22. That's firmly over my birthday. Sag fact file: Ruled by: Jupiter Element: Fire So, all in all, I'm double ruled by fire, Sagittarius and Jupiter. That means that, supposedly, things to do with them have extra "oomph" in significance towards me. I just find the whole "double ruled" and that everything was so freakily connected to be really cool. And to go off on another tangent, I've got so many elements to me. As in, my birthday indicates Fire, my first name is literally Earth, my Chinese zodiac year is Water, and my middle and last names are directly indicative of Water as well. I suppose that shouldn't surprise me, seeing as my first life (kin) was supposed to be a "balanced" being. All I'm missing is air. I guess that means I'm a grounded (ie stable) (Earth), non airheaded (no ditzyness), passive-aggressive-aggressive (water-water-fire) person. By passive-aggressive-aggressive, water is generally viewed as a passive force, but can also be aggressive. Fire is generally viewed as "Aggressive" and destructive. That was probably confusing, wasn't it? After I found all that out, I stumbled apon the "sign keywords" of Sagittarius (personality attributes). They are: Argumentative, athletic, blunt, broad-minded, enthusiastic, exaggerate, freedom-loving, gambling, generous, hot-headed, idealistic, impatient, just, missionary-zeal, optimistic, philosophical, procrastinating, push, religious, scholarly, self-indulgent, straight-forward, talkative. Here's my connection to each of them: Argumentative: :blush: maybe a little? :lol: Athletic: I like to run, bike, horseback ride Blunt: sometimes too much Broad-minded: I always try to be. Enthusiastic: i can be. Other times I'm an absolute killjoy Exaggerate: :blush: I try not to! Gambling: not so much. I don't like to take risks unless i absolutely know that it'll be beneficial to me Generous: ... it kinda depends on what we're talking about Hot-headed: eh heh heh... (Mem, no comments from you :lol: jk) Idealistic: unfortunately, I can be. I try not to. Impatient: it depends. I can have all the patience in the world or none at all Just: OFF WITH THEIR HEADS! :lol: I try to be fair and just. (Atleast one or the other, 'just' taking precedence) Missionary-zeal: Okay, okay. So I get a little obsessed with an idea or concept sometimes. Optimistic: er...I'm constantly bouncing back and forth between Opti and Pessi Procrastinating: I'll work on my procrastination problem! Just you wait! :lol: Push: I took this to mean being determined. Which I can be. It could also mean pushy. Which I can also be. Religious: um.... in what context? Scholarly: only in the Arts and Sciences, really Self-Indulgent: So what if I snuck that chocolate bar or pint of ice cream? I indulge myself to keep me from feeling too neglected by others Straight-forward: Isn't that like being blunt? Yes, I'm usually straight-forward Talkative: it depends on whose company I'm in. I guess this post is very talkative :lol: Soooo, that's all. Just a few things that I though were really neat.
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Post by Kata Samoes on Jul 25, 2008 23:15:43 GMT -5
Moved to the Spiritual board, thought it more appropriate.
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Post by KG on Jul 25, 2008 23:31:32 GMT -5
Thanks Kata... we don't have an astrology board so I guess this is the closest thing. Is this our first ever post on astology? I think it may be. Strange considering we discuss the paranormal. I just don't remember it ever coming up before... but then my memory sucks.
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Post by Wunderkind on Jul 26, 2008 13:26:05 GMT -5
Oooh, do me, do me! I only know a bit about my astrology. I can PM you extra info. xD I'm not that surprised, it fits you really well. =3
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Post by stonerwolf on Jul 26, 2008 21:43:37 GMT -5
i dont know much about astrology, but i DO know that the stars are playing cruel jokes on me. it wouldnt hurt to have some foresight into their cruel games.
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Post by Kata Samoes on Jul 26, 2008 23:22:00 GMT -5
Moved to new board.
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Post by Ko'an Noi on Jul 27, 2008 10:59:12 GMT -5
Oooh, do me, do me! I only know a bit about my astrology. I can PM you extra info. xD I'm not that surprised, it fits you really well. =3 :lol: I was going to ask you if I could do your "profile"! I suppose I would need: - your zodiac symbol - your chinese zodiac element/or birth year if you don't know - birth month and day of the week I think that's all.... If not, I'll update the list I made the first (maybe) astrological post? Cool! :lol: mkay. *edit* dude! That's freakin' awesome. Stoner, does that mean you want me to do a "profile" for you too, or are you just saying?
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Post by stonerwolf on Jul 28, 2008 19:19:58 GMT -5
Virgo, (rooster month) Ox Year Monkey Hour 09/20/1985 i dont know what day that was lol i think it was a saturday though.
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Post by Wunderkind on Jul 29, 2008 0:08:51 GMT -5
Oooh, do me, do me! I only know a bit about my astrology. I can PM you extra info. xD I'm not that surprised, it fits you really well. =3 :lol: I was going to ask you if I could do your "profile"! I suppose I would need: - your zodiac symbol - your chinese zodiac element/or birth year if you don't know - birth month and day of the week I think that's all.... If not, I'll update the list Aries Water Monkey March Friday Haha, I'm even subconsciously self centered. Friday was always my favorite day of the week, and never because it was the last day of the school week. Then I found out I was born on a Friday and was like, " Oh." editted for brainfartnessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
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Post by Ko'an Noi on Jul 29, 2008 7:46:03 GMT -5
Both Stoner and Memory, your profiles are done.
Where do you guys want me to put them? I can either post them here or PM you. So, I guess it just depends on whether or not you mind if its public or not.
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Post by Ko'an Noi on Jul 29, 2008 11:27:09 GMT -5
Stoner's profile:
Saturday: Ruled by Saturn element is Earth Rules Capricorn
Virgo Ruling planet is Mercury Exalted planet is Mercury (this means that Virgo itself is double ruled by Mercury) Sign keywords: clean , critical, discriminating, fact-finding, fears, humane, industrious, melancholy, methodical, pedantic, perfection, petty, picky, scientific, skeptical, sloppy, studious, worry Element: Earth
Saturn rules Capricorn
So far, you have a double Earth influence. Capricorn may also influence what happens, seeing as both Saturday and Saturn rule Capricorn. Also keep in mind Mercury's influence, because of Virgo's double rule.
Capricorn: Earth keywords: brooding, businesslike, cautious, cold, conventional, domineering, economical, fatalistic, hardworking, inhibited, judgemental, over-ambitious, perfectionist, practical, reliable, responsible, scrupulous, serious, status-seeking, stubborn, traditional, unforgiving
Now you have a triple Earth rule. So, according to what I have, you are a Capricorn and Saturn-influenced Virgo, with a strong Earth connection.
Hope I provided insight, or something like that :lol:. If you want anything more, I'll see if I can figure it out, just ask.
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Post by KG on Jul 29, 2008 13:40:26 GMT -5
This doesn't sound like the Stoner we all know and love at all. It made me giggle. Especically the businesslike, conventional, domineering, judgemental, over-ambitious, serious, status-seeking, traditional, unforgiving parts.
Stoner is the most forgiving person I know. He goes to great lenghts not to be judgmental, though in some ways we all are despite ourselves, he really isn't. He is also the most unconventional person I have ever met. He's not known for his ambition either, and he is suspicious of all traditional things. He wants to rethink even the most simple processes of every aspect of society... he is anti tradition. Domineering... not at all. If he has any of these qualities, he is a master of disguise... maybe repression, overcompensating for percieved flaws, by being the opposite. IDK. LOL
Something else is obviously in play with Stoner's psyche that defies astrology, or at least this interpretation of it. Sometimes it just works that way. Maybe a really detailed chart that took into consideration the time of birth, might show some obscure influence that explains it all, but it is obvious that either Stoner developed his ways in spite of his natural tendencies, or there is something this chart didn't take into account.
We could try going deeper with a star chart. 30 years ago I checked out a book from the library that told how to do a star chart. I obviously don't have access to the book anymore, but I am sure the information is out there on line. I could possibly research. IT would be fun maybe, but again we could come up empty handed. These things don't always work like they are supposed to, and really when it all boils down we have a choice as to how we are.
Kim
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Post by stonerwolf on Jul 29, 2008 17:13:59 GMT -5
This doesn't sound like the Stoner we all know and love at all. It made me giggle. Especically the businesslike, conventional, domineering, judgemental, over-ambitious, serious, status-seeking, traditional, unforgiving parts. im more judgmental than i let on... if i WANTED to be F**ked over by the american government, i'd make an excellent businessman... My ambition is kind of hard to address... if i had had more opprutunities in life, my ambition would show better than anything... i am TOTALLY serious about being non-serious! In a naturalistic, native american sense, im very traditional, but again, no opportunities to prove that. I was born on a Friday, sorry. Friday, September 20, 1985 at 3:00 PM
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Post by KG on Jul 30, 2008 3:05:59 GMT -5
I didn't mean that as an insult only as an observation. Ambition and other valuable things are a balance. All things are valuable, and all atributes are good to a degree. Ambition can be over done, or under played, just as any other aspect of life.
Extreme ambition isn't always a good thing. I don't think you are extremely ambitious or you would find a way to get whatever you want, no matter how difficult it might be. The ambitious always find a way. They aren't put off by difficulties and obsticals. If your ambitions were a high priority you would say screw the self styled sense of morality, screw your phobias, screw your own comfort and ease, and move towards your goals with a vengeance. You would disregard everything but the prize, and that is the definition of ambition. Ambition is more than just wanting something. It is wanting something enough to do whatever it takes to get it. Of course, being a smart guy, you would not do anything overtly illegal, or obviously wrong to get it. The reason though wouldn't be morality, it would be putting your long range goals into the perspective of possible consequences for an immoral act. That might come to haunt you later, and spoil your plans, but ambitious people do use others for advancement, and they also might be ruthless in business dealings.
Extremely Ambitious people move away from all sorts of valuable things in order to be ambitious. If there is a conflict between success and morality, then morality has to be compromised. If there is a conflict between family and success, then family looses out. If anything stands between them and their goal, then it gets trashed. For the truely ambitious, the goal is the top priority, whatever the goal is. They are driven, and focused on that goal, to the point there is nothing else. On the other hand most people don't go that far, but still manage some degree of it. There is a balance, a sort of compromise that gives you some success, but also some sense of honor, some free time, and some hard work.
Atributes are a balance, and yours swings the other way. You've chosen self created ideals over the things that would benefit you for some reason or other. An ambitious person would whittle away at those ideals till they fit into something that would work.
The government, has screwed you just about as much as it possibly can because you have allowed it. You have let your reservations about it cripple you. Participating couldn't possibly mess you up as much as not participating. You are a virtual myartar for your cause. A cause which no one understands but you, no matter how much you try to explain it. Fruther your martardom goes largely unobserved, and only those of us who know and care about you see it... or care that you suffer.
Screw the government. The government has nothing to do with you anyway. They are in Washington, and don't know you even exist... they barely have record of you, and believe me there isn't a single politician there, who thinks of you at all. No matter what you do, they probably never will. They are doing what they do, and nothing you do is likely to change that one way or the other. They don't care if you work. They don't care if you drive a car, ride a bike or walk to work... or not. They have no way to know which of these things you do anyway, nor do they care. Your life is about YOU not the government. No matter how much you fail or succeed they are out of your control, and you are not their concern.
Don't get me wrong. I understand what is wrong with our government quite well but that is no reason to commit financial, emotional and social suicide. You seem to be fighting a war you can't possibly win, and don't really seem to want to win. You can't discuss it without getting irate, and your arguments erode when you are irate. Fruther you don't care about yourself at all apparently. You are very concerned for others, and normally I think of selflessness as a virtue, mostly because it goes against human nature to be selfless, but you take it too far. Your selflessness hurts all of us who love you.
Opportunity isn't just given, it has to be taken. Ambitious people go out and seek opportunity. They search relentlessly till they find it and then they conquor with the skills they develop in capturing that opportunity. They actually plan for that moment of opportunity and don't let it slide through their fingers. If they can't get what they want through ordinary means, they create what they want by becoming self employed, or seeking out non traditional jobs. They network to find people who can help them get what they want, and they seek it out all the time.
Once they get an opportunity they exploit it to its fullest. They use the resources they have to create more resources. They work hard, and beg for extra hours. They seek to do the best job they possibly can. They take care of themselves so they can work that job no matter what.
Ambitious people make complex plans for getting what they want. They map it out, for five or ten years at a time, always looking ahead. If the resources they need for success aren't there, then they make plans for getting those resources. They gather the things they need and build on it. If they want to do something grand in the end, and they don't have grand resources, they realize that they have to go through a lot of other stuff, like working shit jobs, at night while going to school during the day, or the other way around, till they get what they want. Sometimes they have to compromise their goals, but not before they compromise every bit of recreation, human comfort, and dignity they have trying to get their goal. Once they have decided to compromise, they still throw in their all to getting as far as they can, even if they condeed to give up one brass ring... at least temporarily.
Success in anything has to be a priority or it doesn't happen. For a person to be extremely successful at anything, that thing has to at least be one of the top three priorities in their life. If it isn't in the top ten then they aren't going to do it at all. If you wonder what your priorities are then look at how you spend your time. Observe the number of hours you spend on each thing. Try to recall other circumstances and how you spent that time, so that you can compare your priorities. Then look at what you get out of each thing. Why are you doing that? What does it accomplish? Is time spent with family wasted time? I don't think so, but some people do. At times it feels wasted, even to me, but generally that is time well spent, but you can't spend all your time doing that. Is time spent playing a video game wasted. Some would say yes, but actually it is called recreation. However recreation looses its meaning if that is all you are doing. Recreation infers that you do work, and then rest from it by doing something else with a couple of hours of free time. There is nothing wrong with any of it, but too much of anything is detrimental... including work, but none of us here are in danger of that I don't think.
In general a person has to have priorities. A typical list might include:
1. Spiritual practice, whether that means meditation, or going to church, or some other religious or spiritual activity.
2. Family
3. Work
4. Career goals, and the tiny steps to a long range goal. This might mean education, gaining experience by being around other people who are in the field you want to get into, or saving money, and buying things necessary to practice your chosen trade. This activity is separate from work itself. Most people don't get to do what they want right off the bat. They have to work to gain capital to do what they really want to do. They might wait tables to get money to go to college, or drive a cab to gain capital to start their own business. They are always learning about their end goal... and their end goal may change along the way as they learn about specialties and related fields, but they do a lot of research on their fields. They learn related skills. Like the carpenter who wants to be an architect might make friends with his job sight supervisor so that he can see a slightly higher view of the insustry. He might even make friends with an archetect. He studies and draws blueprints for a hobby, and he might take a few classes at the local community college learing related skills, like math, drafing, etc. Even though they don't offer as high a level of education as his dream requires. He might apply for scholarships and grants so that he could go to college. He might seek help from the company he works for, or from people he knows. He might pray and also ask people in church to help him attain his goals.
5. Friends
6. Fitness and health
7. Helping others, charity, giving
8. Recreation
Priorities tell us a lot about ourselves. How we spend our time and money tells us what where our efforts are really leading us. Not all our activities have to be about profits... unless we are extremely ambitious, and that risks burn out. At the same time if we are putting in NO effort to achieving our desired outcome, then it is pretty obvious it isnt' really our desired outcome. If we appear to be working on step one, but haven't completely thought out step two then we are going to hit a dead end once we accomplish stpe one, and probably won't regroup in time. Success is a step by step plan.
I do not consider blind ambition a virtue. It can be a vice when taken too far. I like people who are ambitious, and I like people who aren't. Each way of doing things has its own rewards, and it's own set of problems. Extremes in either direction cause a huge amount of problems. I don't respect a person who crushes others to get what they want, but at the same time I feel sorry for people who can't get what they want at all, and I find the situation very frustrating.
There has to be a balance, and we all totter on that balance every day. We might move forward, and we might move backawards, and sometimes we have a good reason for taking a step back. Planning is key to any PLAN for success, and without a plan success is impossible. With a plan it becomes possible whatever it is. It is always impossible to get from point A to point Z in one step. There are many ways to do it, but the first step is to map it out, with contengency plans, and don't give up when something goes wrong. Things always go wrong. That doesn't mean it is impossible, it just means it is difficult. Everything is difficult. It isn't just you who finds it difficult, everyone does. It is hard to succeed at anything. It is hard to even get by sometimes, but if you care enough, and work at it enough, if you are determined to overcome the obsticals, it can get done. If you don't care, don't work at it, and just give up when you encounter a bump in the road, then it will never happen.
Whether you make anything happen or not, I still love you and still care about you. If you want to make something work, then I'll help all I can. Ambition may not be your strong suit, but there are things you are passionate about and could make work for you.
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Post by Ko'an Noi on Jul 30, 2008 7:13:42 GMT -5
I was born on a Friday, sorry. Friday, September 20, 1985 at 3:00 PM Hm... that kinda changes things. Lemme post Memory's profile, and then I'll update yours. Sorry, no star chart laying around my house. I think it would make my parents suspicious :lol: (semi-seriously though. You should have seen my mom's look and heard her voice when she saw I was going to buy Dancing with Dragons and Solitary Witch. )
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