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Post by stonerwolf on Jul 22, 2008 19:49:58 GMT -5
thread's kinda heavy, i dont think i'll pick it up, sorry guys!
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Post by Kata Samoes on Jul 22, 2008 20:04:26 GMT -5
Define "Dark Fire."
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Post by stonerwolf on Jul 22, 2008 20:06:52 GMT -5
fire that consumes light?
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Post by Kata Samoes on Jul 22, 2008 20:11:52 GMT -5
ORLY? lol
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Post by stonerwolf on Jul 22, 2008 20:19:08 GMT -5
yarly i think that photoshopped pic of a campfire sums it up Dark fire, absorbing light rather than shining it, inverse fire is what i would think, perhaps even so clod that it burns lol i could always look these things up, but i prefer using intuition i dont have
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Post by Wunderkind on Jul 22, 2008 20:23:09 GMT -5
i could always look these things up, but i prefer using intuition i dont have LOL, that made my day. In an effort to be on topic: I doubt Mel will be on until afternoon Eastern, and it's not like I'm going to text or call her to define DF (though I think I have a pretty good idea), so it's the waiting game again.
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Post by KG on Jul 23, 2008 12:24:05 GMT -5
I agree with Stoner's answer about the dark fire, especially since he's getting his answer from our discussions about it online and in person with me. He can be quite helpful in figuring things out sometimes. He has a different way of looking at things, that seems to help me be more objective at times. This was a problem we had that I had a lot of trouble being objective about, and still have trouble completely comprehending, but Stoner did help me understand. So did Kata, and Lan, and Mem, and Shadow, and Dania, and just about everyone here aided in what little understanding I have of Darkness.
I think my first reaction to Dark Fire was much like completely primative natives being attacked full on by and army with modern weapons. If they had never seen a gun before, it still wouldn't take them long for them to realize guns were a threat to their survival. They wouldn't know the difference between a Smith and Wesson, and a HK-47. They wouldn't know Napalm from an atomic bomb, and they wouldn't know any of the vocabulary involved in what makes the boom stick work, or that the flying dragons from above breathing explosive fire on them, were actually mechanical vehicles... but they would soon learn at least the basic principles, though they wouldn't have words for them.
My encounters with dark fire were not good ones. We were attacked by a massive quantities of dark fire. It became obvious that the dark mages we fought intended to destroy our light, our very essence. It was light weapons against dark fire weapons, and it did turn out that we were fairly equally matched. The war raged on the etherial, and astral on many other worlds for an unbelievably long time.
We were dealing with a specific source of dark fire. An astral group who were using it for the purpose of world domination... except I mean as many worlds as possible, including this one through use of dark fire as a weapon. They weren't creating the dark fire, they were gating it in from another world, and sucking the entities out of it as well, much as you would get sea creatures, if you sucked a lot of water out of the ocean very fast. Their energy put off a vibe like a shark out of water. They were fighting for survival, and ready to bite anything. It took a while to figure out these weren't vicious entities, just frightened entities here against their will, and from their POV just defending themselves. The really irresponsible entities were the ones who imported this completely alien stuff here.
As for the use of Black fire... well, I think it is like most things a matter of method and intent. We encountered dark fire in the worst possible way. It didn't make a very good first impression. LOL I know that many times when I spoke of it, I gave the impression that this was a condemnation of all things dark, and I didn't mean it to sound that way. I was always having to go back and explain that I didn't mean all darkness, JUST THIS DARKNESS.
There are many kinds of darkness, and many kinds of light. Not all light is good, and not all darkness is bad. Dark and Light can both be used as weapons, Dark and Light can both be used to comfort and heal as well. Dark and Light can even work together if that is their desire, but when Darkness and Light war against each other, one definitely has the capacity to destroy the other utterly.
Now many people have the ability to produce darkness as a sort of aura, and that is OK. I mean it is how they are, and they are just as nice as anyone else. That isn't the problem. The entities I was dealing with were importing unwilling darkness, into areas of light to the detriment of both, and that is just cruel. So again, I think method and intention are always the key to so called good and evil. It isn't a matter of light and dark, as a philosophy or symbol, it was a matter of a specific situatation. Eventually users of dark energy became involved in fighting this darkness too, and their methods were very helpful as well. Eventually it became a mixed group of people on many levels fighting what amounted to an invasion.
So, No not all dark fire is bad, but this attack was bad, and caused many problems which impacted the astral, emotional and spiritual well being of many people. It impacted society itself on many worlds including this one. In the astral world the effects were more obvious, but here... some people were oblivious, but still impacted. Some people were able to fight the invasion with their energy, and made clean spots in the middle of this dark filth that was all over the place. It looked really strange, because to me the light and dark looked physical, though I know it was etherial. I would drive around and it would seem like a stormy, cloudy day, because it just felt dark, but the sun was shining. IT would seem that over some people's homes, the house and lawn would look sunny, as if the clouds had opened above it beaming light down from heaven. Some homes just had this warm peaceful secure vibe, like a nostalgic feel which also protected them... but other areas were crawling with astral creatures, and full of darkness and fog. There was actual physical fog that eventually accompanied the darkness. It lasted for nearly a week, despite the otherwise sunny weather. IT was obviously unnatural, and caused many traffic accidents. The homes which had been protected, kept their lawns fog free, against the normal patterns which usually determine fog patches in the area.
In the physical/etherial the darkness appeared as still transparent and mixed with light, but in the astral realms it wouldn't mix at all. IT was light standing against darkness, side by side, without any dilution of either one at the edges. Each cubic inch of space was either light or dark, and the darkness was so inky black that you could not see anything in it.
IT was all a horrible experience, and so I do tend to speak in negative terms of those things. I realize they have nothing to do with the things most other practitioners do, so when you hear me speak of the dark fire, I don't mean whatever it is you are doing.
Kim
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Post by Kata Samoes on Jul 23, 2008 13:30:56 GMT -5
Hm.
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Post by Wunderkind on Jul 23, 2008 13:40:40 GMT -5
Grah. *Gnaws on Kata* KG: Are you talking about that Nothing thing we had discussed previously? If so, I am not sure if this is what Mel is referring to, but I do know that both Mel and I have messed with it...indiscriminately at best.
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Post by Ko'an Noi on Jul 23, 2008 14:02:05 GMT -5
Mem, stoping gnawing.
"Define Dark Fire" - Well, Stoner had it close. It's energy (fire) that, at its most basic nessecity, is "programmed" to consume light. So, in effect, an antithesis of Light. It almost has a vacuum-like quality to it, like a black hole. It folds in and in and in apon itself, while also reaching outwards for more fodder. While, yes, it burns and consumes, and can warp and destroy, Dark fire can also be used to create and heal, as KG said.
That's what happens when peope get power crazy, or have way too much anger, to use any sort of energy to destroy.
Yup! (Although, a few people would argue that I can be absolutely horrible at times xD. That however, is not because of a "dark" aura. I just can be that way. Mem'll probably vouch for me on that. ^ ^)
Method and intent are critical to not letting power like that "get to your head". I understand what you mean by the first impression that you recieved of it. Once something like that happens, it's very hard to be positive or objective.
Forgive me for bringing DnD into this, but when you say there are many kinds of light and dark, that's completely true. It's like Chaotic Nuetral, Chaotic Good, Good Nuetral, etc. (Jacie's rotted my brain with DnD. *sigh*)
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Post by Wunderkind on Jul 23, 2008 14:10:22 GMT -5
I'll stop gnawing when Kata stops saying "hm." Oh yeah, don't let Mel's being an ass ruin your impression of darkness. ;D
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Post by Ko'an Noi on Jul 23, 2008 14:15:46 GMT -5
Well, Kata, it looks like you're gonna be losing your legs.
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Post by stonerwolf on Jul 23, 2008 15:34:11 GMT -5
i am? neat! i didnt even know that! XD can i have kata's torso if you dont want it? i can turn it into a punching bag whence you gnaw off his legs.
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Post by Wunderkind on Jul 23, 2008 15:39:55 GMT -5
Where'd I say I was starting with the legs? >)
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Post by stonerwolf on Jul 23, 2008 17:13:51 GMT -5
uhmmm hmm... it was decided long ago before creation was initiated that you would begin at his legs, no matter what happened between the beginning and now.
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