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Post by KG on Jan 31, 2008 2:24:41 GMT -5
I've been researching a little otherkin information, and while I agree that people can be dragons, elves, angels etc... I was wondering if it was as unusual as they think. I hear them comparing themselves favorably to humans, but is there really such a thing as JUST humans?
I've always thought that the main difference was awareness. I mean they talk about awakening to the fact they are dragons or etc. Maybe the so called humans are just sleeping dragons? (pun intended)LOL I think also that a lot of people have visions that they call fantasies, or visualization, or just creative daydreaming. They never dream it is in any way real.
Also there are a lot of people who are so busy, and caught up in day to day life, that they make no time for thought, much less self discovery...
So my question is: If otherkin aren't human, do humans really exist?
Kim
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Post by lordazurath on Jan 31, 2008 9:45:17 GMT -5
humans are just another race, on a different plane.
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Post by Del on Jan 31, 2008 16:22:06 GMT -5
humans are just another race, on a different plane. Yes, I have read that 'Humans' is like a term of endearment..like with an animal, that specific being is inthat state of an animal, where as Humans at=re int he state of being human....and that which makes humans 'human' is mortality and a material state of being; the circumstances of our state is that of a being termed 'human'. Technically, there really is nothing wrong with being a 'human' if you know your potential of this specific state. Make sense?
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Post by ~Sephity~ on Jan 31, 2008 21:04:27 GMT -5
I personally think humans are as real as anything else is. The whole situation with things being incarnated in a human BODY can happen to other races to. A dragon being incarnated into a elf's body, such and such.
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Post by Del on Jan 31, 2008 22:16:35 GMT -5
I personally think humans are as real as anything else is. The whole situation with things being incarnated in a human BODY can happen to other races to. A dragon being incarnated into a elf's body, such and such. Right..which means that the body you inhabit is just a state of 'being'...a state of physical exitence on a certain dimension; following the 'rules' of that dimension. So here on this earth, on this dimension, the sate of being are what you see. And if you were to go to another dimension, the rules would be different and the state of being would be different...
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Post by KG on Feb 1, 2008 0:00:22 GMT -5
You are all correct in what you are saying, but I think my question wasn't clear. What I mean is... is anyone JUST human... not a dragon or an angel or an elf or whatever else they might be? For that matter is anyone just one of those things plus human?
Many of us who are on this board are aware of many different forms, and lives all over the astral, as any number of things. Are we just that special, in being multiply incarnate all over the place, or is this true of most people, or maybe all people?
It seems to me that everyone that awakens, awakens to something, and some awaken to a lot of things. I am not sure anyone ever awakens to everything that they are, and that the universe is... that wold be enlightenment... and true enlightenment is very, very rare. But just because people are mentally stuck in the mundane and unaware of their astral existance, does't mean they aren't active in the astral, and that their souls might be simultaneously in many places at once, just as ours are.
I'm just asking if anyone here thinks, like the majority of otherkin believers that otherkin are a minority of the people. A rare few while most people are just a human, some weak pathetic thing... just a HUMAN soul...OR do you believe everyone is something else, and has an astral life of some kind... or maybe two or three, or twenty or thirty... maybe they aren't aware of it at all, or maybe they think it is a day dream, or maybe they know and just don't tell cause it sounds nuts.
Also how important is it to know about something if it is happening already, without your knowlege. Children breathe, and their hearts beat, long before they know and understand how that works... wouldn't it be the same with having astral lives? Wouldn't your astral form(s) and higher self still be doing their jobs with or without our knowledge, and full comprehension?
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Post by Del on Feb 1, 2008 1:58:29 GMT -5
You are all correct in what you are saying, but I think my question wasn't clear. What I mean is... is anyone JUST human... not a dragon or an angel or an elf or whatever else they might be? For that matter is anyone just one of those things plus human? In regards to Earth, yes. Earth is a ground for all things to play, and many that are here are old souls, of many other things and NOT primarily Human. When I say primarily HUman, I mean a young soul, recently born and this is their first life. HUmans are a rarity,IMO. The majority here, are in the state of human 'beings' to experience life as a human 'being'. It's like trying on a pair of shoes...you tried on Nike, Prada, er, and many other brands...but it's your soul that makes you YOU...that makes your existence. The body is like a shoe: temporary. And a Human body is different from a Human Being. It's attributes go to the soul. Well in the universal term of things, all beings that exits {soul/frequency wise} are special to the Universe, each serving a purpose. Just that some have a heavier weight than others. Those that 'awaken' to their true identities while in the state of being human, are remembering things from their past {their soul's past}. Right. A new soul would awaken to the fact that this is their first existence on the Melting pot {Earth}, and that since there are many other beings that are not human but experiencing the state of being human around them, they experience other forms of existence, to show them that 'Humans' are not the only beings of existence {example: A dragon reborn into a state of being human, a human body to experience what it's like to be human to relate to those that are truly human - new souls}. A new soul in a Big school. And then once the soul decides to go elsewhere, they ascend into another experience fitting their frequency. All souls go through an experience and ascend in growth once they have accomplished their lesson. The way I understand it is that the younger the soul, the less experience they have. A Human is determined by the state of being. I assume, I could be wrong, If this is the souls first point of existence, then they are human true and throughout. I am human because that' my state of being right now, my body, but my soul is an old one, and that will apply to everyone here. I am only HUMAN now because my body dictates my state of being. BUT my nature, my existence, my essence, is that of something else, and not Human. This isn't my first time here, nor many of yours. Being human is just a state of being and all souls that exist are unique to their frequency..their creator, which then boils down to everyone coming from the big picture...like a family tree. That is the flow of knowledge and the continuity of events {what HUMANS would call Time}. It's not important to know it, but at the same time, having knowledge of it denotes your awareness of the universe, of something higher than your current state of being. Things that appear to human {the bod} and are truly not, just look at the soul. I hope this makes sense. It's vey complex, but humans are special because they are young and innocent. All or most old souls are here to teach humans about the universe and their purpose because they forgot. And many new souls are created from powerful sources, not made to be human. Example: If an old soul seeks to be born into this world, he or she will find a suitable individual to be born through...their essence being shared with his or her mother...the mother having a similar make up in creation. Anyway, enjoy your experience as a Human so ou can try to relate to their experience and show the new souls that there exist things big than them. ;D
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Post by lordazurath on Feb 1, 2008 7:07:45 GMT -5
oh, yes. i do believe there are such things as JUST humans.. hard to explain, but only a human can be THAT ignorant.
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Post by KG on Feb 1, 2008 23:50:22 GMT -5
Thank you Del. So you are saying that new souls account for the seemingly HUMAN unaware condtion. That is an interesting theory and one I'll give some thought to. I really hadn't thought of that. Maybe I let my own experience predjudice me. I think I was more on the ball as a new soul, than I have been in recent lifetimes. I came here with a mission, but now... well it seems like I have no purpose in the physical realm... or at least that purpose has become more obscure. It might be though that not every one starts out with a clear cut mission, or for some reason they are unaware. Anyway you might have a point about new souls.
I've been doing a lot of soul searching, and trying to figure out what exactly is going on in the universe, and the universe between my own ears as well.
Lord Az, Thanks for your input too. That is an interesting thought, but young souls, or human souls don't have a corner on the market when it comes to ignorance. I do have a lot of observations about ignorance. I believe that ignorance is a condition, in which a person doens't want to know the truth, and accepts a convenient lie without question because it is easier. Sometimes being smart is dangerous, because once you accept truth and are no longer ignorant, then you feel you should do something about it. It is much easier to scream, "burn the witch," along with the rest of the crowd, than it is to stand up and say, "That's not a witch, you people are ignorant." Which is easier, to accept the judgment of your leaders, know your leaders are wrong and watch others suffer their judgment when you know they don't deserve it, or stand up and be judged yourself by the same harsh critics. IT is so much easier not to know, not to care, not to be tempted to make a stand cause you don't know and don't want to know.
Ignorance is a choice, which anyone can make at any time. Older souls aren't immune. Ignorance is a sort of temptation, which can be brough by Satan, or religious leaders, or politicians, or your best friend... whoever provides the convenient lie. Ignorance can be born of fear, either because you believe the lie, or because you don't, but know you are expected to.
Ignorance can be born of lazyness, or being overly busy with other things, and to a degree ignorance is universal. We all have things we aren't interested in, and don't care to learn about, at least in comparison to things we do care about and do want to learn about. I am fairly ignorant of complex mathmatical equations, because I find math boring, and and most everything else facinating by comparison. Thus I am lazy about math, and over busy with most anything that can distract me from it. LOL
In fact though most ignorance is by choice, and not true ignorance at all. People want to believe what they are emotionally prone to believe. Conformists want to believe the leadership has their best interest at heart. Rebels want to believe the leaders are evil. Alarmists want something to be alarmed about, and jump on any threat, because they enjoy being alarmed. Those who don't enjoy being alarmed seek to assure themselves that everything is OK. Haters want to hate, Lovers want to love, rebels want to rebel, and conformists want to conform. All this is predisposed, and so people's attitudes are set about any given situation, regardless of the facts themselves, so that predispostion and preconception is another root of ignorance.
Take the political climate for example. The conformists of our time, are busy serving a false god of patritism and legalistic religion and a set of artificial morals. Rebels of our time are busy throwing stones at that, but also have a set of artificial morals set by the other camp. There are alarmists, and non alarmists on both sides of that struggle. On the right we have people alarmed about terrorist attacks, the sins of abortion, and gay marriage... eroding morality of the nation and such. On the Left people are worried about global warming, and chinese tooth paste. The non alarmests are vocal against the other side mostly... Left wing non alarmists laugh at the thought of Terrorist attacks, and call it a smoke screen and an excuse, while Right wing non alarmists scoff at global warming. It isn't the idea in either case it is a matter of the way the problem was stated, and slanted, and by whom.
Thus all people are lead, by predisposed nature, and the leadership they choose to follow. It is all about factions, and choosing sides, not about the truth on each individual issue.
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Post by Del on Feb 2, 2008 3:18:37 GMT -5
oh, yes. i do believe there are such things as JUST humans.. hard to explain, but only a human can be THAT ignorant. I agree with you Lord Az, and with what Kim said as well..ignorance can be looked at in varying degrees. YOu have the don't want to know but are aware of whatever it is tha esits..and then you have those that are really oblivious and this could be because of their environment {outside influences}. Denotatively speaking, to be ignorant means to be without knowledge and in the HUMAN condition we are all ignorant to a certain degree. The state of being Human is a very limiting one, and whoever designed it needs a good talkin to, and it seems like it was one created to keep all those born into this state as ignorant of their origins as possible. But what I find fascinating about Humans is at how oblivious they are to the universe, and how they go about living as if this is it.
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Post by Del on Feb 2, 2008 3:28:42 GMT -5
Thank you Del. So you are saying that new souls account for the seemingly HUMAN unaware condtion. That is an interesting theory and one I'll give some thought to. I really hadn't thought of that. Maybe I let my own experience predjudice me. I think I was more on the ball as a new soul, than I have been in recent lifetimes. I came here with a mission, but now... well it seems like I have no purpose in the physical realm... or at least that purpose has become more obscure. It might be though that not every one starts out with a clear cut mission, or for some reason they are unaware. Anyway you might have a point about new souls. I've been doing a lot of soul searching, and trying to figure out what exactly is going on in the universe, and the universe between my own ears as well. When it comes to purpose, any one person's mission, can be a multiple assignment...meaning you can have more than one thing to accomplish during your time in any lifetime. It ma not be as big as the last one, but there serves a purpose for everything. And we all go through a self development process before we move to the next stage and venture out on another mission. And once our purpose is done, that's when we physically leave Earth. I's like wih Murders and accidents: the purpose could simply be to show people that such and such needs to be done. Sad as it may be, but it could be an event to assist Humans today on how to become More than wha they are, or to help awaken those old souls. If we all remained awakend once we were born, life on Earth would be an Eden. So yes, the Human condition is mainly put to those new souls...and those that are old souls are not bound to that condition....no matter how late in life as a state of being Human you may reach before you awaken...if you're an old soul, you will come to realize that. And a new soul, well is typically and truly a Human.
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Post by Wunderkind on Feb 4, 2008 16:32:19 GMT -5
To me, the difference would be the soul's attachment to one specific look and feel. When you are a lizard, you do not THINK the same way a human would. When you are a human you do not FEEL the same way a leopard would. We're all connected, but each form lends the soul something new, something to be attached to- some people get hooked.
My answer is, of course humans exist. "I think, therefore I am." I believe human beings and just about everyone other lifeform has proven itself capable of thought.
I think to be "fully" human, a human soul in a human body... I think you would have to be both a young soul, and a soul very attached to Earth.
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Post by Kata Samoes on Feb 7, 2008 17:34:05 GMT -5
Here's a thought:
A select few of the Celestial race used to be just human, and evolved..
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Post by Xavrael on Apr 2, 2008 15:01:22 GMT -5
Truth. (to what Kata said). I think a lot of people underestimate the potential humanity as a whole has... The body is limiting because lets face it...most thoughts that come to mind are, "I cant do this.." or "I cant do that.." for a general amount of people. So in a not so verbose manner...sometimes humanity limits itself, and not a fault in its design. They are not handed any special abilities to them on a platter. They are not coddled or guided just for being what they are. As with the first, they (Humanity as a whole) are not born with any inherent knowledge. (religious beliefs not withstanding....) SO for all of their alleged ignorance of how things supposedly are, I think they deserve a pat on the back for making it this far at least hehe. Of course, Im not going to mention upbringing or an individuals desire to explore their state of being (hah, development of PK on a macro level or something) because there are a lot of things a person can look into to seek out their own slice of enlightenment. In the end, who knows? Humanity may end up higher in the proverbial food chain than dragons, fae, and what have you. After all, they've had to put up with condescension, and will have to find their own way in existence to reach their potential. I used to really dislike humanity as a whole. What can I say? my spiritual little cousins have grown on meh! kinda... capable of great "good" or "evil" as it were... (yes I am aware that they can *seek* guidance...but that doesn't mean they'll always get it. Yes some are born with a natural affinity to certain things, but again...talking about the bigger picture ) And as a side note as to where some of my feelings about this come from... (don't hurt me).. Genesis - when it talks about man being created in God's image. Last i checked there is no floating eyeball in the sky looking down on us... I believe that when it says that, it means spiritually, that they were imbued with a divine spark, being children of God, etc. (and i called humanity my little cousins because well...lets face it...celestials as a whole when considered as part of one big divine family...are sort of like the older brothers and sisters to humans...many years apart though XD). Going off on a tangeant. /end
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Post by ~Sephity~ on Apr 2, 2008 21:13:10 GMT -5
I understand where you're coming from. Humans are a relatively new race.
We may have the potential to grow stronger/bigger/more enlightened. But I do believe that this physical plane still henders us.
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