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Post by tara on Dec 10, 2006 22:44:36 GMT -5
Has anyone heard of an entity named Demiurgos Ialdabaoth & what can you tell me about it.....
Thanks
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Post by Kata Samoes on Dec 13, 2006 8:48:02 GMT -5
It's a title, usually self assigned. Where did you get it?
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Post by tara on Dec 14, 2006 21:47:55 GMT -5
It's a title, usually self assigned. Where did you get it? I didn't, I read it on a site I go to............
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Post by Kata Samoes on Dec 15, 2006 9:35:22 GMT -5
Okay, would mind sharing the URL where you found it..?
If you're comfortable, mind. If not, no pressure. Curiosity is my motivation for asking, is all.
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Post by KG on Dec 18, 2006 1:15:04 GMT -5
Well Demiurgos is Greek for Demurge, false creator God of the Gnostic Scriptures. Ialdabaoth is another being also from Gnostic Scripture, usually ascribed to be one and the same entity as the Demurge, though I am not certain that is correct. They are similar beings if not the same. Using the two names together like that though... well that is strange. There are articles about the Demurge on this forum, but if you want to know more, after reading those just ask. It could be a self proclaimed title. Litterally Demurge just means craftman. He is called that, because he's the one who whittled out the current definition of reality. He isn't exactly the creator... in that he didn't make our souls or our astral forms, but he somehow responsible for solidified matter. You know the irritating inflexible stuff that makes this world harder to deal with than the astral. Anyway technically Demiurgos could mean any craftsman, it just means someone who works with thier hands to make things. It doesn't necessarily have to mean THE Demurge, it could be any craftsman. If you want to know more, about the specific entity try this site. www.gnosis.org/library.htmlGnostic Society Library has the actual translated texts. Many people on the internet don't understand these texts, well before they start writing about them. It is best to go to the oritional text and read it rather than take someone's word for what it says.
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Post by tara on Dec 18, 2006 20:37:35 GMT -5
There are articles about the Demurge on this forum, but if you want to know more, after reading those just ask. Oh........ I heard about demurge I just didn't know it they were the same thing/being........By the way, can this entity interfere in this plane enough to make one's life a living hell?
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Post by ~Sephity~ on Dec 18, 2006 21:05:29 GMT -5
*giggles and calls for KG* She'll deff. be able to tell you all that she's comfortable with about the demurge...
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Post by KG on Dec 19, 2006 1:25:15 GMT -5
Well let me put it this way. He masterminded the Spanish Inquisition. He was the entity that controlled Hitler. He virtually invented torture... what do you think?
He has more power here on earth than most. Someone we know calls him Jahovah... You know who I mean. The false God who masqurades as the One true God. The real God is Love, and happens to be the Father of Jesus Christ. The false one used to be the leader of a large number of angels. He let power go to his head, and started thinking he was God. HE shot his mouth off to anyone who would listen about how he wanted various holy wars, and he liked to heep silly and unnecessary rules on people just for the heck of it. He's infiltrated every religion in the world, and tried to make God seem like a bad thing...
When Jesus says Satan in the bible, most of the time he means Demurge and not Lucifer. He also used the phrase spirit of the Anti-Christ to describe him. I am almost certain that he meant Demurge when he called him the prince of this world... As you know, Lucifer is hardly the prince of this world. He does't hold that kind of power, but you know who does!
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Post by tara on Dec 19, 2006 13:07:27 GMT -5
Well let me put it this way. He masterminded the Spanish Inquisition. He was the entity that controlled Hitler. He virtually invented torture... what do you think? He has more power here on earth than most. Someone we know calls him Jahovah... You know who I mean. The false God who masqurades as the One true God. The real God is Love, and happens to be the Father of Jesus Christ. The false one used to be the leader of a large number of angels. He let power go to his head, and started thinking he was God. HE shot his mouth off to anyone who would listen about how he wanted various holy wars, and he liked to heep silly and unnecessary rules on people just for the heck of it. He's infiltrated every religion in the world, and tried to make God seem like a bad thing... When Jesus says Satan in the bible, most of the time he means Demurge and not Lucifer. He also used the phrase spirit of the Anti-Christ to describe him. I am almost certain that he meant Demurge when he called him the prince of this world... As you know, Lucifer is hardly the prince of this world. He does't hold that kind of power, but you know who does! I see..... Is there any ritual to bind this entity and kick him out of one's life permanently?
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Post by KG on Dec 19, 2006 22:50:31 GMT -5
None that I know of. I've fought him, but he always comes back. He isn't just in a few individual people's lives he is in almost everyone's life in our whole society. He has crept into churches, board rooms, and even the oval office. He is difficult to avoid.
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Post by tara on Dec 20, 2006 9:56:55 GMT -5
Don't you think it' s time to group get organized and put a halt to him?
Or do you think that would be to much trouble?
I'm not talking about one organization trying to kick him out here I'm talking about all of us that are fed up with this entity, All organizations people and institutions joining hands with that sole purpose.........
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Post by KG on Dec 20, 2006 12:46:47 GMT -5
Well the mothers try. In Christian terms the mothers are the Holy Spirit, and he is the anti-christ, but unlike what the church believes he ain't a hell rasin sinner. He appears quite holy, and self righteous. He appears so sane, and logical and he is such a hypocrite. We, the mothers, are the Madonnas, both the virgin, and the Magdaline, and many more whom the Catholics don't quite understand, yet revere, like the Virgin of Guadalupe. In pagan terms we are the panthon of all Goddesses. There are corelations between various madonnas, and various ancient godesses. We are the Goddesses of the world, and the Madonnas. We are Isis, and Bridged, and Diania, and Aphrodite. We are Wisdom, Knowledge, Mercy, Truth, and Miracle, Faith, Hope, and Compassion, by whatever names the people chose to call us. Gaia the earth mother is among our members. In oriental philosophy we are Yin to his Yang. We and our male consorts and counterparts, believe in love. He believes in war and force. He believes in rigid rules enforced with an iron hand, while we believe in common sense, and compassion. He hates sex, women and anything remotely feminine. He even hates cats. We lead people to spiritual extasy, while he teaches legalism and a sense of order. He believes in matterial possessions, and wealth, but we come to the poor, to make them rich in ways no one entrenched in material possessions could understand. We have our influence and he has his counter influence. Some people propose it is a balance, and with out Demurge we would all become too fanciful, and imaginative, and all spirituality would loose its roots and meanings among all the different theories and individual practices. I disagree, and find him completely abhorant, but then it is my job to find him abhorant. I work for Sophia (Wisdom), one of the mothers. Sophia has a feud with Demurge that spans the entire period of this creation, and physical matter. WE have always fought him. We have astral wars trying to kill him. We do appear to kill him, but he is an imortal so even if you dice him up into little pieces and burn the bits, he still exists. There are armies of angels who despise him. There are fallens who curse his name on a daily basis. Most all Demons dispise him, and so do many Angels. He is hated by those of us who understand what he is, and all of those entities wish to see him gone. Jesus himself works against him, and tries to make people see what he is. In retaliation he comes into Christ's on church and lies about what Jesus taught. He has distorted the message, and called Jesus's wife a whore. It isn't in the bible at all that she is, but he has given that impression for so many years that it is tradition. He does have his alies though, and though many hate him, many consider him God. He has fooled a lot of people, and even angels with his holier than thou act. In retaliation he hunts us down, as he did in the Albegenian Crusade, the Witch Trials, the Spanish Inquisition, and his various purges on Heritics, and Kabalistic Jews since the dawn of time. He is incarnate, we are incarnate, and yet he is spirit, and we are spirit. He can be a possessing entity, but he has a soul, or souls that do his bidding. He can live as a Pope, or a King or a Dictator... He can be the President of the United States. He can appeal to Muslim and Christian, inflitrate them and turn them against each other. He can enter a board room of business men and cause them to evict poor from their houseing. He can enter congress, and lead them to war and cause them to make unjust and oppressive laws. He can run a facility like the one the US has in Cuba. He can come into ordinary military personel and turn them into inquisitors. He can instruct them in the ancient methods of torture, and help them impliment modern technology. He can cause people in the medical profession, the heart of benevolence, to perform cruel procedures like Labotomy, and Electroshock therapy, and allow them to feel justified in that. Over the centuries, we have tried to retaliate. We have resorted to war, and assasination. I have been his assassin in many lifetimes, and at times I have succeeded in killing his physical form, but that does no good either. When you speak against him he tells people he is God and you are of the Devil. He makes you appear as an atheist, or anti-American, or a threat to the Government, the Church, the Wealth of the Nation, or whatever is the catchphrase at the time. He then makes others feel justified in hunting you down to murder you in the most painful way possible. He is a hard thing to fight, but we are trying. Any suggestions?
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Post by Kata Samoes on Dec 20, 2006 19:51:29 GMT -5
"One cannot end Darkness with ending Light."
Try a banishing.
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Post by tara on Dec 20, 2006 22:43:25 GMT -5
"One cannot end Darkness with ending Light." Try a banishing. True Kata, but an evil like this like he is is not s nescesary one............
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Post by tara on Dec 20, 2006 22:47:22 GMT -5
He is a hard thing to fight, but we are trying. Any suggestions? Yes, there are innumerable groups of mages that capture and bind entities, he cannot be fought in the physical he has to be captured and fought spiritually; if we could get all this groups combined plus additional forces as in Everyone that hates him Combined to capture & put him away in a special Prison like dimension that would just make my day.........
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