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Post by Kata Samoes on Apr 4, 2007 17:33:15 GMT -5
This is an official job, no longer a project. The priority and severity of the situations have clearly demonstrated that, and as I have by my list. I will still go through with it as a project for research, but the treatment will be a job. Yay work!
Kim, I've got something in mind JUST for you and Lonnie.
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Post by ~Sephity~ on Apr 4, 2007 19:25:28 GMT -5
...as always...love to help, and whenever I can I will...but I don't quite have the skillz yet! but i'm gettin' there hopefully
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Post by KG on Apr 4, 2007 21:17:56 GMT -5
At your service my dear angelic devil... name your request.
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Post by Kata Samoes on Apr 5, 2007 17:59:35 GMT -5
I'm actually thinking about getting you and Lonnie some training (or, for Lonnie, polishing) in the dark arts for back-up.
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Post by KG on Apr 5, 2007 22:54:12 GMT -5
Thank You Kata... I would be interested I need all the training I can get. I am currently involved in all kinds of conflicts... well same conflict, different battle grounds... you know that most of the astral, and even the heavens are under attack.
I have some situations I need to make you aware of though... things I am already doing, and other things about my nature. I will learn as best I can. I'll PM you.
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Post by Del on Apr 8, 2007 19:49:22 GMT -5
Any specific time..let me know. I'm usually always dancing but with no specific intent. So now i can at least channel it to where it's needed....
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Post by Shadow of Light on Apr 9, 2007 10:05:07 GMT -5
Honestly I can't say I quite agree with influencing areas at such a distance. What one might consider bad could result in something good. Normally I leave this sort of work to the adepts in the area, because they know the area well and as such the usual activities that occur there. That's more or less why I stay in touch with quite a few of the covens in the area as well as the witch doctors and a few individual adepts.
I brought this idea forward to them and all the groups except one said more or less the same thing. Different area's, different perceptions. How are we to know if we're destroying someone's sacred place or a evil rift? Who are we to judge in another's area what is good and evil, right or wrong? A few of the witch doctors said something along the lines of "The white man has forgotten much, remember those who said the world is round were evil at a time to you. Now if I say this is change which can be for good or bad, am I evil? Are my ancestors evil?" All the groups had a point which I agree with, leave each area's management to teh adepts there who know how to deal with it best.
It's like if I went into your room and arranged it how I like it even though you might of been working on some sort of project which looked like a mess of papers to me. So in this case, I'm opting out agaisnt this idea. It's intruding on other's area and space, it's fine if they asked for help but otherwise, you don't live there, they do. leave them be.
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Post by dania on Apr 9, 2007 11:38:08 GMT -5
Unfortunately I gotta say I agree with Shadow of Light here. I really don't think this is a good idea. We should stick to our lands/realms and stay out of others' unless they ask our help.
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Post by Kata Samoes on Apr 9, 2007 17:30:50 GMT -5
I'm quite familiar with Africa astrally, actually, and I always keep an eye out for different parts of it. My working is not as big of an issue as it might seem, really. I promise.
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Post by Shadow of Light on Apr 9, 2007 20:02:04 GMT -5
I still see it as messing with other people's rooms. There are a lot of spirits that walk here, ancestors, tribal belief. Then there are a few demons and such but they look after teh people that give them power as well as any angel or god because it's in their best interests. It's your choice what you do though, although I do request both at my request and the request of local covens and such that you leave teh republic of South Africa to loval management. External energy throws off local weather patterns too much to be helpful. Kim will know exactly what I'm talking about and how much of a mission it is to get everything nicely set up again.
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Post by KG on Apr 9, 2007 22:00:59 GMT -5
I know what Shadow is talking about. It isn't the same thing as concerns Kata. I have spoken with both of you at different times. I am also aware of at least part of the situation Kata is talking about, and other problems as well, which I have brought up to him. I am very aware of Shadow's work with the weather and what he is talking about with the customs of the various Shamen.
I haven't yet spoken to Kata in detail, but I know he is not going to interfere with the ancient things that the witch doctors are doing. Those are small individual things, that would take years to effect, or even learn about, because they are numerous, and work with nature, not against it. They are on a totally different level than the current problem. I do know that Kata isn't going on a witch hunt. He doesn't have a problem with nature magic, none of us do. As for your other affiliations... well it depends on what your local coven, and other friends are into, but unless they are ploting the destruction of the world, they have nothing to worry about from us.
What we are dealing with is a global situation... we are working to fight a single, unified, systematic attack, on everything everywhere.This is a global project, and we are going about it in a systematic way... it isn't just Africa we are talking about. It is just a starting point. This is a modern, relatively new problem which effects all of us. It is the astral equivilent of a plot to pave the rain forest... and then every other forest between the poles. Africa is one of the last stands for Gaia, and saving Gaia is part of what we are talking about.
Not having full acces to Kata's plan yet, I will just speak for the problems I have seen myself and what I think needs to be fixed. If I go outside your plan fruther than you want to go Kata let me know, but this is the problem the way I see it. As I said we have not had time to discuss this at lenght because we are busy putting out fires elsewhere. At least some of you know what I mean by that too.
Having physical residence on a continent isn't the only way one resides there, or has need for influence there. I have interests and ties in Alexandria, Turkey, India, Southern France, and South America, even though with one exception, which is irrelivant to the situation, I dont' know anyone physical in any of those countries. I know quite a few entities and people who live near me physically, and there astrally though.There are levels of astral activity... and not all of them have to do with what Physical people are doing in the area... even if they are practicing magic.
Only a few meddling people have anything to do with the things that are going wrong all over the world now, and that has nothing to do with traditional African Tribal magic, or anything else tribal... except that it will probably kill the tribal spirit, along with the tribe, and Gaia herself, if we don't do something. This has to do with power hunger and greed, that are about to destroy the world. Unnatural magic, or should I say anti-natural magic is the issue not natural magic. Shadow you know what I am talking about there too... or you will if you think about it a moment. Things are being tampered with in the worst way, both naturally, and astrally.
This isn't going to effect weather patterns, and if it does, it won't effect them nearly as much as what we are talking about fixing. This isn't about targeting Africa only... it is just fixing Africa first, there is a global problem, which is somewhat recent. It isn't the old spirits which have always been there that are the problem... if anything they will be rescued. Something new, and bad is happening to the world. It has nothing to do with the witch doctors, and their practices. They would probabaly be stunned... just as any practitioner is when they realize the scope of the situation.
On a purely natural level, the world is all but hoplessly condemned by global warming. If we do not change our ways in the next ten years, the planet will be irrevokably and horribly damaged. Weather patterns will change not just in Africa but all over the world. We are loosing Ice very fast now. Ice is melting in greenland, Antartica, the Artic, the Himilayas, and until very recently there has been a massive cover up of the facts. Gaia is dying... and man kind, is hurting her, both in the natural and in the astral. Now people like Al Gore, and John Kerry are talking about the physical aspects of global warming, but no one is talking about the spiritual aspects of global murder except us.
I saw Gaia the entity recently, and she isn't looking well. She is weak and sick, and she is feeling unloved. She's been badly abused and she is about to go down for the last time, unless someone figures out a way to save her. She can't stand the astral and spiritual blight that is coming, on top of the physical and sociological blight she is already facing, and we have to do what we can to prevent as much of this as we can.
In the last year I have cleaned two astral planets in the way Kata is proposing. Both were being overtaken, and because they were astral and not physical areas the problem was obvious very quickly. Here on earth we dont' have astral weather stations reporting on every single spot on the earth... if we did, I am sure it would be quite alarming right about now. We are talking about Polar shifts, and catastrophic kinds of damage, which are already having astral impact as a precurisor to the physical changes we will soon see on all levels.
We need the Shamen, and the tribes very much, but there aren't as many tribal people in the world as there once were, and their ways are so benevolent that they tend to be over run by the kind of people and entities we are talking about. The people who are doing this meddling are using methods that most practitioners would reject as unaccepable... because these people don't care about anyone but their own greedy destructive nasty selves. Basically the earth is being screwed, and we are going after her rapists, not her children.
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Post by Shadow of Light on Apr 11, 2007 8:11:37 GMT -5
I dunno, I still say I'm against this idea. I've still think it's like walking into someone else's house and messing around there. I'm not too sure about this darkness you guys speak about where I live, but honestly, I don't see it here. I know the shamans speak of the old portals opening and that's incredibly interesting to me to learn about them and also for them because although they're never fully closed, they're opening up more than they have in a long time.
Interesting times to be alive, so yes, I cannot agree to help in this, nor can I with any certainty support it.
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Post by KG on Apr 11, 2007 10:43:16 GMT -5
We all mess in other people's houses Shadow, unless you litterally only protect your own house, and property you own. Technically.... unless you have recently bought the entire contenient, or have approval from all the people there, your own tampering with Africa is trespassing too. As long as you have the interest of the people at heart though I see nothing wrong with it. All practitioners eventually influence beyond their own property lines, and as long as their activities are benevolent, I see no problem.
What is going on has little to do with Africa itself, and more to do with something else you know full well about, which I am absolutely sure most of the people in the world, including most Africans would not approve of or appreciate.
You know of one of the groups I speak of, and there are some similar beings, with similar goals and methods. How can anything they do be for the good of Africa? or anywhere else for that matter?
Do you know something we don't? Why don't you PM me so we can discuss this more openly. As it is I wonder what you are getting at. Kata hasn't explained a lot about this to me either, so I want to know... what exactly are you worried about?
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Post by Kata Samoes on Apr 13, 2007 18:17:58 GMT -5
Africa and South Africa completed!
Now..Eastern Asia.
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Post by stonerwolf on Apr 15, 2007 15:54:54 GMT -5
uh.... what exactly are you/we doing again...?
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