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Angels
Jul 4, 2009 2:17:28 GMT -5
Post by cassiel on Jul 4, 2009 2:17:28 GMT -5
Hates you, hates their own self, loves you, loves their own self.
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Angels
Jul 4, 2009 8:36:01 GMT -5
Post by KG on Jul 4, 2009 8:36:01 GMT -5
God loves you, and people love you, but you don't always make that easy. You have a lot of friends, and people who care, but YOU are the one giving yourself such a hard time. It is your life, and you are the author of this story. IT's your choice, happy ending or lame story about a guy who ended up in a gutter because of his own pride, bad behavior, and silly self restrictions?
God tries to help. People tried to help, but in the end it is your choice. Free will is kicking your ass right now, and nothing else. You were given free will and you used it to rant, have tantrums, habitually bite the hand that feeds, be slack, not work, waste time, and not be self sustaining. You thumbed your nose at opportunity, and instead chose to rant about your own way, and your ideals... not DO things to perpetuatate yourself, or the planet.
Sit on your ass and rant is not a viable option to life, and you are learing that. Violence is not an answer either. Hard work is the answer. IT is the only answer that has ever been, and the answer that you reject because it IS hard work.
It is hard work, to live your life like normal people, and even harder work to live like you say you want to. So you just sit, and yell at people for not believing in your CAUSE! But you do absolutely nothing towards your OWN cause, so why should we? Where do we get our example from? After all these years, I still don't have a clue what you think anyone can DO about your cause... because you don't do anything. Boycotting LIFE is not any kind of answer. Being a slacker does not benefit the planet. Ranting at people and getting all pissed off over every little thing doesn't help either. What would help? Personally I think it would help if you dropped the whole thing, got a job and lived a normal life. As it is all you are doing is being a bad example, and harming yourself. Like those misguided Christians who preach hell fire and brimstone on the street corner, you are hurting your cause, not helping it. LIke them your message comes off as one of hate, not a positive example. No one wants to folllow a ranting looser, who can't make his own life work. Find a real solution and we will follow, until then you are wasting everyone's time, especially yours.
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Angels
Jul 4, 2009 14:12:07 GMT -5
Post by dania on Jul 4, 2009 14:12:07 GMT -5
Stoner-
Right now, you are on the street, and it's your fault.
The rules are different on the street. There are no free rides, and if you don't get your act together and knock off this attitude of yours, somebody's going to rough you up, if you're lucky. If you're unlucky, they'll bust a cap in your ass.
Personally I think you need to have some sense smacked into you.
You're little "morals" aren't very moral at all- in fact, all you're doing is forcing everyone else, who actually WORKS for their life, to pay for YOUR non-life (that shelter you're in? I bet it's funded by taxpayer money.) Not because you NEED help, but because you REFUSE to do anything even remotely resembling anything useful.
You need to 1) find a job. and 2) get counseling. ASAP.
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Angels
Jul 5, 2009 4:23:22 GMT -5
Post by a'Lan Mandragoran on Jul 5, 2009 4:23:22 GMT -5
I'm not stoner...
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Angels
Jul 5, 2009 8:04:23 GMT -5
Post by dania on Jul 5, 2009 8:04:23 GMT -5
I never said you were?
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Angels
Jul 5, 2009 9:49:06 GMT -5
Post by KG on Jul 5, 2009 9:49:06 GMT -5
Sorry Lan,
My mistake. I wasn't wearing my glasses, and apparently I can't read well without them. The reply was intended for Stoner, who has been complaining in random places on the forum, and acting like his problem is everyone's fault but his, everyone's responsibility but his. It is simple cause and effect and he's been building this situation for years.
I think you know that God Loves you. God does.... we do. Sorry. Your situation is not the same as Stoner's. What Dania said to Stoner is needed. I just hope he reads it.
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Angels
Jul 5, 2009 13:25:45 GMT -5
Post by a'Lan Mandragoran on Jul 5, 2009 13:25:45 GMT -5
Stoner- Right now, you are on the street, and it's your fault. You... kinda did, Dania... but meh... I have more important things to do that worry about this. I changed my name back to clear up confusion.
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Angels
Jul 6, 2009 4:42:40 GMT -5
Post by cassiel on Jul 6, 2009 4:42:40 GMT -5
What if Lucifer has been doing all that he has for the good of existence, for the good of God's existence, for his children and creations. For from the beginning Lucifer has chosen to play the positions he has, to play all sides of the board to manipulate and shape existence. To Make existence strong so it Will be able to stand upon it's own feet and flow with infinite Will.
To unite existence as one Lucifer became the villain and the hero, to cause existence to flow around him, to make reality flow about him. To become the beacon upon which all others united against, either in love against him, or in hatred against him. To cause existence to stand for him or to stand against him, but ultimately to stand, to walk to move and to take action, to imagine, to ponder, to think.
To bring dread, pain, suffering, hatred, wrath, malice, greed, cruelty, hope, dissapointment, to torture existence with his presence and Will, to use every iota of infinite power within his being to oppose existence and strangle it slowly. To cause existence to adapt to him, to learn what all concepts are, to experience them, to first hand vaccinate existence to all reality.
To also bring joy, celebration, faith, in all those who overcome him, who stand against him, to give them glory, love, the love to trust in one another to stand against him. To give thought, wisdom and understanding to all, so they may understand cruelty, darkness, what it is, and how to overcome it.
To also be the hero in this grand story, to play the role of giving hope to all those who stand against his own self, who stand against darkness and drear, to be the very individual who defeated his own self, "Michael". So others would see their is hope and possibility to overcome any threat, any opposition when enough faith, hope and love is gathered together and channeled as One.
Yes Lucifer knows in the "end" he will burn infinitely, and has known this from the beginning for the mask and character, Lucifer, will finally be put to an end, it will no longer be needed, for creation, existence will have finally stood up and walked with "God".
Many call Lucifer a murderer, but murder, death is a concept one which he hoped to show to existence, for death is an illusion, to die is an illusion and in his eyes there is no death, no end, only all existence flowing infinitely and simultaneously before his very eyes and hands. In his eyes when one dies they have not ended in any way, they have merely walked from one square to the next in this infinite illusion of death that existence perceives. From angels to humans, from infinite to eternal, all are exposed to the concept of "death", but it is merely an illusion which is used to help existence grow together as one without under developing any one grain of it. For to learn, to grow, to evolve, to become strong, existence needed to experience death, to be able to move freely all around and about reality so it may learn and experience All, to understand itself and All.
Of all the masks he has worn, of all the characters he has played and is playing, it has all been for his love of his most precious and valued friend and father, "God". For "God" he stands and for "God" he walks, it is for Him that he so experiences never ending coldness, he walks a reality so devoid of all that it is much like living in the silhouette of a dream, where everything you see and gaze upon is fading continuously with every infinitely passing moment in an eternal loop.
It is for "God" that he burns infinitely in fire that continuously consumes his very existence with every passing moment. To burn infinitely, to be the light of God so to shine through the darkness and guide existence, just as when he was first brought into existence he shined and caused the darkness to separate from the light brought forth.
For he was the first light, the light of God, the word of God incarnate.
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Angels
Jul 6, 2009 15:17:45 GMT -5
Post by dania on Jul 6, 2009 15:17:45 GMT -5
No, I didn't, I was adding to Kim's reply to Stoner. I didn't realize she hadn't actually replied to him.
Sorry Lan. I'll move the posts to the other thread where they're more likely to be seen, anyway.
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Angels
Jan 21, 2011 0:08:29 GMT -5
Post by cassiel on Jan 21, 2011 0:08:29 GMT -5
I've been thinking...Lucifer, Michael...they seem one and the same. I do believe there is no difference to the two, I believe Lucifer was the light of god, and Michael became the darkness of god to combat Lucifer. This was all God's plan, his will and intention, I believe Michael is a monster of darkness, a cold, emotionless, instrument of destruction, wrath, hatred. Lucifer I too believe is a instrument of God, jealousy, pride, hatred, selfishness, desire, greed, violence, deception.
I truly believe if Lucifer had not rebelled, Michael would have done so, I also believe that Michael is the embodiment of fear, while Lucifer is the embodiment of Pride, perhaps they are one and the same...
One is definitely imprisoning the other...either Michael is the prison which houses Lucifer, or Lucifer is the prison which houses Michael...does it make a difference, no not truly only if you want it to. Ultimately both love God, beyond anything, both are motivated by fear, love, jealousy, desire for God...perhaps different in appearance but fear of God none the less...their reaction just differs slightly. Both thrive to become God...just in different forms...one desires to become the mirror image of God and take its own Will to the form, while the other desires to become the very embodiment of God, to eradicate its own will and become the very hand of God in all purpose...one desires to consume God, the other desires to be consumed by God...the same outcome none the less.
Truly I do so wonder, was is Lucifer who was always the darkness of God, but called the light of God because he so tread it and sought to understand God in all his darkness, hatred, jealousy, pride, greed...that which no other would dare to even fathom. Originally seeking to trek the darkness of God to better understand God, to better serve, and love God....however this was all part of God's plan.
Or was it Michael was always the darkness of God, the very destruction, wrath, hatred, of God made sentient....prepared purely for war, destruction, eradication of self.
Lucifer the light....Michael the darkness...Lucifer the bright shining heat....Michael the cold, emotionless shining light of God....both bright but where one is an ever flowing well of light, the other is a ever flowing black hole who glows ever bright due to the light drawn to its darkness upon the event horizon.
Two hands, both of the same One, makes no difference which is which, both the same in the end.
Michael would murder existence, be consumed in hatred, destruction, violence, judgement, merciless indifference...if it were not for fear....Michael is the very embodiment of fear and hatred....one keeps the other in check...if not for his fear of God, he would have long ago turned upon all, to consume them, to consume all existence, all for his love of God.
Which makes me wonder...postulate...that Lucifer followed God's direct orders from the very beginning, all of this, everything has always been God's plan, Lucifer has always been in the good graces of God, others just do not see this....A chess board...of where the pieces of both black and white are moved by the same One, a different hand for each color.
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Angels
Jan 21, 2011 15:44:05 GMT -5
Post by Xavrael on Jan 21, 2011 15:44:05 GMT -5
This... has to be the longest going thread on this forum... xD. As to Michael - in short... No. Michael was never those things you mentioned. His role is that of a paragon, an example so to speak, the complete opposite of what "Lucifer" represents.
As to Luci - Sure, Luci started off as the light, but that very quickly became corrupted and while that was once his position, he's long sense been stripped of whatever responsibilities that came with that. So essentially from that point of view, he's just a lightbulb to an empty room. It serves no purpose other than to deceive now.
As to the rest - Sure... there's a chessboard, but it's only being played to indulge the child and his tantrum, among other things. Lucifer is mistaken, if he indeed does think the same way as you, if he thinks the creator needs anything at all in that particular way. There is no need to evolve further because he has reached the apex, and continues to reach it, even if it were to continue to grow higher, grasping each evolution, each highest point before it even becomes the apex of existence.
Thus, Lucifer's thought of loving God by devouring him to make him grow is flawed. Lucifer will never reach any sort of form or point of power that would make him relevant in any way in that regard. Even if he were to devour the multiverse, he wouldn't scratch the surface of infinity that is the creator. After all, the multiverse, as vast as it is, is finite and likened as to a fraction of the mass of a single grain of sand, and yet infinitely less significant when compared to the creator.
The chess game is essentially not for God's benefit, for for ours. Not for the creator's growth, but ours. Maybe one day we may be like him. But even then, our wills will never override his when it comes to whatever mysteries may lie beyond the veils of existence into the uncreated void of formlessness and consciousness (or unconsciousness for that matter).
Sad thing is, deep down, he should know this. But if he's willing to throw so much to the wind for a fool's errand... then just as well. Because in the end, we're all dancing to someone's tune towards one purpose or another. Well. Most are. I'm simply watching the conductor...well. Conduct, from the audience balcony.
Some things simply are and must be. "Lucifer", intended or not, following orders or not, will never achieve the goal you mentioned, if that is his goal at all.
not saying it is or isn't mind you. As I keep saying, It's a complex web that's been weaved for the benefit of creation (whether or not creation is handling it well is another story. I'm lookin' at you World!).
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Angels
Jan 21, 2011 23:23:23 GMT -5
Post by cassiel on Jan 21, 2011 23:23:23 GMT -5
You words resonate from a position of opposition, deep seeded opposition, I see it not as Lucifer fighting against God, no that is foolish and futile. For Lucifer is but a whisper created by God, and his very will, his every motion, movement, thought, is all willed and moved by God.
Lucifer will do as God so asks of him, regardless of what it is, to maim, destroy, ravage, to be merciless, brutal, sadistic, emotionless, hopeful, kind, caring, to play both the adversary and the protector.
And one thing I have been meaning to say for quite a while, and by this I mean no offense to it what so ever, but truly what I feel...you resonate pride very strongly, some thing to think about it perhaps. A string of pride that very well could be consuming who you are...or rather has been for a very....very....long time.
Tell me Xavrael has it ever crossed the lapses of your imagination....that you walked among the "traitors...rebels" as they were so labeled by some, that you were in fact a very prominent individual among them, and through the recesses of time you have created a fail safe...to deal with who you are...were, still are to this moment.
I think you paint a picture of yourself, dark, sinister, violent, but none the less a hero of the light...perhaps you have always been a hero of the light, of the void of God, in your own mind that is...even since the beginning. What if it was in fact that belief you held so strong that blinded your sight to allow you to be who you are...and to fight those you did.
You defend Michael so very much, but when you were one of those who crossed "blades" with him and the forces flowing with him, makes me wonder why...perhaps the paragon of hope, an example for others to see is exactly what you truly desire to be, to convince yourself you are not the very thing you loath...and oppose.
I imagine...all the "Sides" to this grand painting believe as passionately as you do...and there in lies the poison...the pride that consumes and blinds all.
All the "spirits" of God, believe they follow God, for each has their own personal relationship with God...God weighs the hearts of all not by the perceptions of others, nor by the majority...but rather by the scales within the individuals heart so to speak.
When many claim to be of the void of God, to be observers watching, it all resonates the same thing....a desire to be close to God, closer then they would ever want to doubt that they actually are.
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Angels
Jan 23, 2011 17:52:57 GMT -5
Post by Xavrael on Jan 23, 2011 17:52:57 GMT -5
Hehehe, interesting thoughts. But... No. Dark? sure. Sinister? sometimes I suppose. Violent? When I had to be. But I also had compassion, love.
Did I ever walk amongst the fallen? for a time, though it was to set some things into motion, pulling strings as it were. As for being a Prominent individual among any group? I wouldn't know. It wasn't something that I paid too much attention to.
I never crossed blades with Michael, that I remember, at least not in any serious fashion. If you meant Lucifer however, then that's different.
Nothing you've said thus far has been offensive, it's fine.
Maybe. If they didn't there wouldn't be any foolish wars in the first place. Still, the benefit of not being part of the show is that you get to see everything and everyone for what they are.
Well. that's the kicker with me I suppose, i have no doubt of where my place is with God, and It is further than I'd like it to be. I'm not the many that, "claim" to be from outside of creation, from before the Angels, before there was a chessboard and so on. I simply am.
Perhaps, "Xavrael" isn't the name I started out with, I don't know. Name's change, but it seems to fit well and feels comfortable now and has for some time. Trust me, I'm still doing the whole self discovery thing as much as anyone. But this is one thing that has never changed.
Yes... i was a part of the light opposed to Lucifer's "darkness". And I defend Michael's name because it is one which should be respected. I watched as he, "matured" and knew that he would be great, before the schizm that divided the viewpoints. He is one of the closer beings to God. Lucifer was... once. Now he's simply deluded in his self-deception, unfortunately.
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Angels
Jan 23, 2011 21:57:11 GMT -5
Post by cassiel on Jan 23, 2011 21:57:11 GMT -5
As it is easy for all to state they walked the "Darkness" to pull strings, to set events into motion, just as Lucifer and so many others claim like wise. And yet you view yourself close to God, sure of your love, while Lucifer views his love for God undying, infinite, and that he walks the darkness to pull strings, set events into motion. How curious it is that your statements are the same similarity as the others who so defend their position, their view point.
You state you are different because you also possess compassion, love, kindness, so too did Lucifer and all others, and yet you differentiate yourself because?
Wars? Wars do not exist, they are simply part of the Will of God. And yet once again you state how you are outside,that you simply are, words which resonate more pride then most others I hear.
How much you would like to simply be outside it all, to simply be "Xavrael", the self justification that rings from your words sings of a reality you have crafted for yourself. You speak of Lucifer being in a deluded self-deception, yet how strongly you describe your own self so...passionately. All simply are outside existence, the very fact that you are here speaking now, posting upon this forum attest to that very concept...as does everyone who was, is, and will be. There is no difference from you, Lucifer, Michael, any other, all simply are, outside of existence.
I believe you so strongly stick to the belief that you are outside of existence, simply are, because it creates a closeness to God for you...for if you are outside then only God is there, all your words resonate of a desire to be close to God...
You have no doubt where your place is with God, nor does Lucifer, nor do "others", and yet you pass judgement in your words. Pride, self-deception, you seem to possess great quantities of these things. You may believe what you like Xavrael, but be cautious, that description of deluded self-deception seems more of a description of your own self, then of Lucifer.
If one is so sure of their self, as you have stated you simply "know", they do not pass judgement as you have. From the very fact you describe Lucifer as such, shows that the qualities you attribute to him are the ones in your own self you so desire that you didn't possess, but you do...
Over and over again, you claim to be outside the show...so that you can see all for who and what they are...how you so desire you could do so. Again and again, your words all speak of a reality you want to exist, but does it? Aside from in your own "self-perception" does it exist? Aside from using your claim that you know your place with God, does it exist? No individual, no entity, no human, no angel, no self constructed paradigm of what you believe yourself to be and not to be, knows the Will of God in all its entirety.
To believe you are outside the "chess board", outside the painting, outside the show, is nothing but a deluded reality of deception, one constructed of pride, and self desire.
I do so ponder that you desire more so to construct your own reality, one that is not necessarily of the Will of God, then to par take of the reality that is currently playing out now. Sitting in the corner of a empty room, looking away from everything else that is happening, emerging yourself in fleets of fantasy of how you wish you were outside the room, is not the same as being outside of it.
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Angels
Jan 24, 2011 0:27:50 GMT -5
Post by Xavrael on Jan 24, 2011 0:27:50 GMT -5
In this instance I was making a correction. I was simply adding on the fact that while yes, I did see myself as a mix of the three qualities you mentioned, I also had others. At that point in what I said, I wasn't trying to make myself out to be, "Different".
Like I mentioned before, I am not, "so many others". I am myself.
Actually, I was saying the opposite. I said that I was aware of my place and that it was further than I'd like it to be. Perhaps I should have been clearer though. I know where my personal relationship is with God. As for the overarching situation? No one could know that. Foolish to think that anyone does as that is something only God knows.
No actually. My being outside looking in, has nothing to do with my desire to be close to God, for the simple fact that God is everywhere. There's no special place to be closer to him in that regard.
When I say that I am outside, watching things, and playing the many parts that I am asked to play, it's simply because everything has it's purpose, it's own set of moves, it's own reason for being created before the created creates it's on purpose in it's existence. I am outside, because that is where I started, and the fact that I move about freely is simply a product of that fact.
I said i was still on that journey of self discovery. However when it comes to, "Lucifer", it's simply a matter of seeing the cause, the effect and the consequences and his actions to rectify and move another piece on the chessboard. This isn't hearsay, this isn't third hand knowledge, this, my saying what I think of Lucifer comes from having seen his audacity and delusional tirades.
I don't pass judgment, that isn't my job, but I can form opinions on what I've witnessed unfold it all of it's strange splendor.
Hehehe maybe. But simply because you don't think it's possible, doesn't make it so. Still, I think there may be wiggle room for clarification.
There's a difference between being on a chessboard, and being asked to move a piece. I say i'm not part of a chessboard of creation, but it doesn't mean i'm not associated with one in some way. NO, I am not a pawn on a chessboard, but I can be any one of the pieces if asked to.
In the mind of God, there is no chessboard because things have been seen and are known, much like watching a DVD you've seen already. We may not know it, but... *shrug*
Point being, I know full well that everyone is within the mind of God, but that is a magnitude that is not within any other being's perception, and so we deal with what is. For some, that perception extends far beyond another's but that's just the way it is, constantly in flux.
Didn't you hear? We make our reality everyday. Still, I see what you're trying to say, but it's irrelevant. Unless of course I were actually deluding myself, which, while possible, is not the case.
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