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May 4, 2009 19:00:16 GMT -5
Post by KG on May 4, 2009 19:00:16 GMT -5
Honestly I think Sanity is a myth, but whatever passes for it is kind of relative. Functional I think is the word that would most accurately describe what most people call sanity. Most people don't know or care what crazy crap floats around in our heads, as long as we do what we are supposed to do.
However the only one that really matters is the self. We KNOW what we think, and we wonder... worry about ourselves. If we are happy and well adjusted, we know it, and if we aren't, then we know that too. Everyone has a different idea of how people should think feel and act... everyone has a different idea of how to deal with reality, and what reality really is. Those people do not matter though. What matters is, are you happy with you? The question is, are you are happy with the choices you make every day, and find that it is leading to where you want to go. Most of us can't answer positively to that question every single day, if we are honest, but if you can agree, even half the time, I think you are doing pretty well. Personally I think fun is important.
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May 27, 2009 19:29:14 GMT -5
Post by cassiel on May 27, 2009 19:29:14 GMT -5
I believe I know why God created, to overcome His own Self.
What is love to me? Love is to bring about the potential, the evolution and growth of the One you Love. To consume God, to burn Him to ash, to end God, is all I desire. For Him to end is the point, it is my love for God, my never ending infinite love which I believe only He understands.
For God was all encompassing, all existing, for God was all. To bring forth creation, all existence, to give meaning to His own self, to confirm by His own being and Will what He is, who He is.
Life is defined by those that sail the same ocean as you, for in perceiving them you are able to contrast your own self and derive meaning. Humanity thrives off one another, to know good, another must be "not good". However, when the ocean upon which you walk is only you, you are the master of all reality. And though you are "God" in that you bring forth and put away all meaning, creation and oblivion, the only meaning to existence is your own self. For one may be all encompassing, all powerful, with control of all reality and being the very fabric to imagination itself, the foundations of all mathematical formula which maps out the very building blocks of the existence we so dwell in and perceive. But in all infinite it is only you, in the end the only reality I know is my own self, thus I am God, for all I perceive is One. Pieces of my own self with which I interact, in the end I see God as my own self, either being all powerful, all encompassing, or being a mere fragment of my own mind is one and the same, just different ways of perceiving the same thing.
My perception, my reality is what resonates from me, my music is what I so sing, my songs which I so create, are the flowing streams of life which forever in all infinite pour fourth from me.
For if God can overcome His own self, then He will have gone beyond what He is, He will have gained the answer to His own Question. For if God is all, then what is not God? And if He so overcomes His own self, He will know, He will have confirmed.
I will resonate beyond all existence,to burn brighter then the eyes of God, and colder then the touch of His hands. To ignite God and watch as I burn Him to Ash, and with my cold hands I will strangle His burning infinite in sweet soft compassion. I will shatter the throne of God and the halls of ever sought after peace, to ravage and destroy the goals and hopes of all the pieces of His own self which so vigilantly each seek their own ivory encompassed alley with a dead end. No longer shall He divide His own self, each spreading in a different direction, for with each "heaven" destroyed the pieces which so magnetically drifted to it would begin to return to the center.
For I love God with all my being and existence, to consume God, to end God is what I so desire. For I believe when you truly love One, you do your best to bring about their growth, their infinite potential, their evolution beyond who and what they are.
To free God would be to consume God, to consume God I must be God. I will ascend beyond all to rise above the heights of God to end Him, to Love Him with all that I am and who I am.
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May 28, 2009 3:02:38 GMT -5
Post by SSW on May 28, 2009 3:02:38 GMT -5
I believe I know why God created, to overcome His own Self. What is love to me? Love is to bring about the potential, the evolution and growth of the One you Love. To consume God, to burn Him to ash, to end God, is all I desire. For Him to end is the point, it is my love for God, my never ending infinite love which I believe only He understands. For God was all encompassing, all existing, for God was all. To bring forth creation, all existence, to give meaning to His own self, to confirm by His own being and Will what He is, who He is. Life is defined by those that sail the same ocean as you, for in perceiving them you are able to contrast your own self and derive meaning. Humanity thrives off one another, to know good, another must be "not good". However, when the ocean upon which you walk is only you, you are the master of all reality. And though you are "God" in that you bring forth and put away all meaning, creation and oblivion, the only meaning to existence is your own self. For one may be all encompassing, all powerful, with control of all reality and being the very fabric to imagination itself, the foundations of all mathematical formula which maps out the very building blocks of the existence we so dwell in and perceive. But in all infinite it is only you, in the end the only reality I know is my own self, thus I am God, for all I perceive is One. Pieces of my own self with which I interact, in the end I see God as my own self, either being all powerful, all encompassing, or being a mere fragment of my own mind is one and the same, just different ways of perceiving the same thing. My perception, my reality is what resonates from me, my music is what I so sing, my songs which I so create, are the flowing streams of life which forever in all infinite pour fourth from me. For if God can overcome His own self, then He will have gone beyond what He is, He will have gained the answer to His own Question. For if God is all, then what is not God? And if He so overcomes His own self, He will know, He will have confirmed. I will resonate beyond all existence,to burn brighter then the eyes of God, and colder then the touch of His hands. To ignite God and watch as I burn Him to Ash, and with my cold hands I will strangle His burning infinite in sweet soft compassion. I will shatter the throne of God and the halls of ever sought after peace, to ravage and destroy the goals and hopes of all the pieces of His own self which so vigilantly each seek their own ivory encompassed alley with a dead end. No longer shall He divide His own self, each spreading in a different direction, for with each "heaven" destroyed the pieces which so magnetically drifted to it would begin to return to the center. For I love God with all my being and existence, to consume God, to end God is what I so desire. For I believe when you truly love One, you do your best to bring about their growth, their infinite potential, their evolution beyond who and what they are. To free God would be to consume God, to consume God I must be God. I will ascend beyond all to rise above His throne to end Him, to Love Him with all that I am and who I am. What if there is no god, no individual creator with a conscious awareness or intentional action, that "god" as we are calling it, is merely the same as saying "table" instead of "all the atoms that make up the table". what if there is no united singular oneness ("god"), but a conglomeration of all thought, mind, awareness, perception, idea, and consciousness, that we are all individual gods, creating and reflecting each others' creations and reflections? what if all that exists is YOU, and that everything else around you is a reflection of yourself, at a different vibrational frequency, and that there are no gods, souls, spirits, deities, or devils? What if you succeded in burning all of reality, and nothing happened? that it just snuffs out of this portion of the infinite all, as unnoticed as the single individual atom of a rock you step on, or kick with the toe of your shoe while walking down the street in a hurry? What if our entire universe IS that rock? What happens when your consciousness abandons this body to reincarnate? do you believe you retail the same passions you have in this life? do you believe this passion, in this life, preceded this life, perhaps even the last life, even the life before that? Has your passion to burn all of infinity to ash preceded your own creation of your self? what triggers this desire to show your love by means of total annihilation?
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May 28, 2009 3:37:40 GMT -5
Post by cassiel on May 28, 2009 3:37:40 GMT -5
Rock, a grain of sand, what the shape and perception of existence is does not matter to me. Is "God" to me, the same as "God" to you? Does not matter, I don't care. All that matters to me is God.
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May 29, 2009 14:55:17 GMT -5
Post by SSW on May 29, 2009 14:55:17 GMT -5
Rock, a grain of sand, what the shape and perception of existence is does not matter to me. Is "God" to me, the same as "God" to you? Does not matter, I don't care. All that matters to me is God. that's all im asking, what if you're completely wrong? can you consider that? REGARDLESS of how you feel, what you think you know, and whatever facts you can back your beliefs up with, completely irelevant. all i ask is weather or not you can possibly imagine that you are 100% absolutely wrong, and if you were, what would you do then?
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May 29, 2009 18:20:35 GMT -5
Post by KG on May 29, 2009 18:20:35 GMT -5
I'd like to answer this myself... as honestly and deeply as I can think Stoner. Everyone else can answer too... I'd just like to explore this idea.
I think it is a very frightening thought... to be absolutely wrong about everything. IT (being wrong about God) is everything, since to myself and many others, God is everything. I have read that upon true enlightenment some decide that God is everything, and some decide he is nothingness... nervana.
But I think I know what you are asking. No matter what an individual believes, how do they cope if they find they are wrong? I think that it would be very rare for a true believer to ever be convinced that they were ENTIRELY wrong, about everything. However some people get attached to details. It is possible that if they found they were wrong about one detail... for example if they lost faith in some small part of the doctrine of their preticular denomination, they might just give up on it all, thinking that if one part of their belief system was wrong then the whole thing is wrong. Other than that... I don't see it as likely to happen to anyone who ever believed with all their heart.
Why? Because people do not usually believe something for no preticular reason. Something powerful convinced them to start with. People who truely believe something believe because of some evidence, or experience, or series of experiences, which is completely convincing at least to them.
For example, what if someone tried to convince you that your parents were a figment of your imagination, that you halucinated their presence from the day you were born, and you were really an orphan from day one? Of course you wouldn't believe it. You would KNOW they were lying and you'd figure you were in the middle of some conspiricy or plot against your family right? Parinoia would sink in and you would not believe a word of it. How else could you explain that you were fed clothed and pampered (litterally diapered) as a baby. Who would have done that besides your mother? How could you explain that you survived there in your room if someone wasn't at least dropping off food? How could you account for the conversations you had with them? How could you account for the family photos, and even if they were suddenly missing, and their employers refused to acknowledge they ever existed... well you still wouldn't believe it right? Even if everyone on the face of the earth forgot, and denied the existence of your parents, you would still not be convinced that they never existed, because how else would you explain your own existance? How else would you explain they perpetuation of your life up to now? Who sustained you if not your parents? Therefore more than anyone, you know your parents are real. It is the same with faith in God. People who experinence God in the same way you experience a Father/Mother know God is real... It would be incredibly hard to convince them otherwise... because you cannot erase a lifetime of experience.
IF however for example a true believer in something, did become convinced they were wrong, it would require extensive pshchotherapy to even attempt to normalize. I know a Jahovia witness who lost his faith, and he went completely nuts. That is fairly typical.
As a rational person though, I'd say that I have come across a lot of instances where I changed my opinion on details, between what I was taught, and what I found to be true, and I survived that. Why? Because it was not intergal to my whole structure. I could shrug off a detail, and not sweat it. Some people can't cause their house of cards is glued together... for me, well things like re-incarnation or not, or sprinkling or emersion, or if Jesus was married or not... well none of that really matters. I was actually happy to hear Jesus may have been married. Good for him!
I can read and study but that is not why I believe. I believe because I have experienced God's presence, God's power, and his miracles. I have seen the Shekenina Glory, and the angels... and I am not likely to change my mind.
However for the sake of argument, if I was wrong. The first thing I'd want to know is, "what is the truth?" I'd want a detailed explaination of the alternate theory, and that would have to coalate with all my experiences, and it would have to be a matter of my own misinterpretation, because I know what I saw, but perhaps it could be explained another way. I'd listen, and if the other theory could explain every single experience of God and Jesus, and angels that I have ever had... then I would adopt that theory. IF not I'd cling to my previous opinion. It would have to be proven to me though, and the degree of proof it would take, would be impossible for anyone to obtain. It doesn't exist.
However if I could see that this other theory could co-exist as additional information to what I already know then that would be fine. I'd just add the new information, and mull it around in my head and intergrate it with the previous knowledge gradually over time.
If I found out my theory on a small detail was wrong, then I would have no problem with that at all. Like I said, sprinkling or emersion isn't a big deal. I could deal with changing my belief system or adapting it to new information. I have done this many times, but something like you are aluding to... there is no God? Not in any way shape or form? Uh... no... I'd require being institutionalized, at the very least, if I became convinced of this. I could not deal. I would not want to live... but that is not the case, I can assure you.
I have tremendous belief that everyone needs a belief system, and I am equally emphatic that they don't have to match exactly to be true. There are many ways of explaining the same details, and many stories that lead to conclusions which are compatable. I do however believe that any belief system can become toxic, no matter which religion, political faction, or group, it is attached to. Christians can go toxic, and bomb abortion clinics. Fundamentalists, Dogmatics, Legalists, and their ilk have made their own path harder than it needs to be. Having a belief system is a good thing. Having a belief system that is unreasonably restrictive, causes one to hate or resent others who do not believe as you do, and belief systems that prevents you from obtaining the logical objectives of that system... namely survival, and making converts... well that is detrimental. It is my opinion that the Fundamentalists who rage at people from the street corners, offending all that pass with their hateful tone, are more lost than the people they rant at. How can a God of love inspire hatred? The answer is... He can't. They hear another less benevolent voice, and they do nothing but work against the cause they claim to espouce. Ranting gets you no where. Ignorance, gets you no where. Assumptions get you no where fast. Assuming that others do not agree with your overall cause, simply because they aren't freaking out and making an ass of themselves over it, is contrary to the overall outcome of making converts. Show the convert a better way, not a worse one, and they will follow. Compassion, generosity and kindness attract. Rage, hatred, and negativity repel. Success attracts and failure repells. No one wants to follow someone who is going nowhere, and doesn't work productively towards the cause they espouce. A Belief system should benefit a person. It should make them a better person, and give them the ability they need to perpetuate their life. If it does not then something is wrong. It may not be that something is wrong with their basic belief, or their cause... only with their methodology and their attitude. I've seen many good plans fail because in their execution. I've seen many correct people loose a debate. I've seen people who are technically correct on the larger point, lose their whole effort because they got hung up on a small detail, and let that detail override their overall message.
There is a God... none of us understand God's nature completely. There is a problem with the ecology, none of us can fix it alone. Agreement on details just isn't happening, universally on God or Ecology, but I believe everyone is trying in their own way to understand, and to help. Founding a universal religion, creates a monster. Becoming dogmatic solves nothing. There is no reason to get irate over any of this... it does no good to get irate.
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May 29, 2009 23:51:34 GMT -5
Post by SSW on May 29, 2009 23:51:34 GMT -5
all that from a small question? geeze! i know i havent been around much, and i know i deleted my account, i've been terribly frustrated with things since i left NC, and im still not really recovered, but i do plan to rejoin later when i am more balanced again. i found some amazingly profound information about the elixer of life and the philosopher's stone recently that lead me to worry about certain situations of late. but i will save that for a later time, it is freaking sensitive information, assuming it's true.
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May 31, 2009 9:23:30 GMT -5
Post by KG on May 31, 2009 9:23:30 GMT -5
Well you know how long winded I am... and it was a VERY good question. One I had never even thought of before to be honest. It is almost inconcievable... litterally. It did merit a thoughtful answer.
Being balanced is not a requirement of Spirit Sense membership, or I would not be here either. Re inlist any time you like. You are very welcome here.
I understand that you are frustrated. Your situation is very frustrating. I get frustrated too, because I do care about you. Anyone who loves you finds this frustrating. WE can't help trying to problem solve your situation, but it may not always be helpful to you. It seems like everything I come up with,there is some reason you have that it won't work, and after a while it just leads in a circle.
Anyone else but you, when faced with your calling as you understand it, would have compromized or just said, "screw it," and forgot the calling all together. I just can't believe the universe is expecting you to do something that is completely impossible, and this seems to be, so we must have missed something.
My thoughts on those topics in general, is that most of these things are meant to be taken symbolically, or spiritually, not as a physical thing. Past that I'll have to wait and see what you have found. Of course that is just a general across the board kind of feeling, not specific to your findings.
I look forward to discussing it with you.
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May 31, 2009 16:47:54 GMT -5
Post by Wunderkind on May 31, 2009 16:47:54 GMT -5
Rock, a grain of sand, what the shape and perception of existence is does not matter to me. Is "God" to me, the same as "God" to you? Does not matter, I don't care. All that matters to me is God. that's all im asking, what if you're completely wrong? can you consider that? REGARDLESS of how you feel, what you think you know, and whatever facts you can back your beliefs up with, completely irelevant. all i ask is weather or not you can possibly imagine that you are 100% absolutely wrong, and if you were, what would you do then? Oh! We all get to answer? Me, if I found out I was 100 percent wrong about everything... Nothing would change. As a person I am a bit of a philosopher, and I am actually a habitual rationalist simply because these things are so hard to believe in. It's a bit of a paradox, but my constant questioning of my faith allows me to be faithful. I constantly poke at how something could possibly be, and then sort around for any sort of "evidence" (shared experiences that couldn't possibly be). Finding out I was wrong would only mean I would keep living my life with the security of an absolute answer. Finding out I am right would be the same result. Right now I walk the line, and I go by the "I just wanna live while I'm alive," and keep faith and questioning that faith for the sake of the pursuit of knowledge. I'm not intimidated by the possibilities. ;D Now, to just wade my way through KG's answer because she is even more introspective than I am. Or at least more vocal about it.
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Jun 1, 2009 11:59:44 GMT -5
Post by SSW on Jun 1, 2009 11:59:44 GMT -5
Well you know how long winded I am... and it was a VERY good question. One I had never even thought of before to be honest. It is almost inconcievable... litterally. It did merit a thoughtful answer. Being balanced is not a requirement of Spirit Sense membership, or I would not be here either. Re inlist any time you like. You are very welcome here. I understand that you are frustrated. Your situation is very frustrating. I get frustrated too, because I do care about you. Anyone who loves you finds this frustrating. WE can't help trying to problem solve your situation, but it may not always be helpful to you. It seems like everything I come up with,there is some reason you have that it won't work, and after a while it just leads in a circle. Anyone else but you, when faced with your calling as you understand it, would have compromized or just said, "screw it," and forgot the calling all together. I just can't believe the universe is expecting you to do something that is completely impossible, and this seems to be, so we must have missed something. My thoughts on those topics in general, is that most of these things are meant to be taken symbolically, or spiritually, not as a physical thing. Past that I'll have to wait and see what you have found. Of course that is just a general across the board kind of feeling, not specific to your findings. I look forward to discussing it with you. As eager as i am to discuss it... I will test it out first... but most people would laugh at me, most people would have mocked the information itself... this, being Spirit Sense, may be the only place i could safely speak of it without risk of ridicule (or exposure, since outsiders probably dont take this place seriously as it is.) and mockery, however, i doubt i will discuss anything about it here at all... it depends. if true, like i said, very sensitive information. However, i did find a good lot of reading material while i was at it, so at leaswt there's something to be shared! www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_indice1.htmcheck out, under F, Fall of humanity and it's origins. fascenating lol much of this stuff also sounds completely fabricated, so take it for what you will, but there seem to be at the very least, sprinkles of truth all about it.
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Jun 1, 2009 18:47:00 GMT -5
Post by KG on Jun 1, 2009 18:47:00 GMT -5
Yes, well some of the information on line is kind of er... mixed up. I find that there is a lot of legitimate information on line as well. I mean there is no where that you can believe everything you read. Not even school text books. You always have to read critically. You just have to pick through and figure out what you can believe.
One thing that is just true of all human writing is that it tends to be one sided, and narrow. That goes for most everyone's writing including mine. IT takes several opposite references on a subject to get a clear view. People tend to pick a point and try to prove it, instead of presenting all sides of something. We all do that. The purpose of a well researched article is lost if they just look for references that prove what they already think. Still what other kind of article is there? LOL Therefore look for another article to counterpoint. Just in general regardless of what you find. Read several on the same topic.
You are welcome to and all... we'd give you our honest opinion, and that isn't ridicule just what we think. You aren't responsible for what you find on the web. Good or bad it might need to be called to our attenion.
Run it by one of us first in a PM if you like, or e-mail. Do you still have my e-mail address?
Plus how sensitive? WE do have members only and staff only boards, and of course when you re register, I'll put you on staff again. Heck you are still one of the top posters here, and you've been here from the beginning. You know we do not run our top secret stuff on the main board. We usually handle it in PMs... but the staff only board is really for that. Battle plans and stuff. LOL
Very strange and interesting. I looked at some of their political stuff as well. I got burned out on Lucifer, LOL it is interesting though, and I started looking around the site. I do not know much about his POV on the fall. He's going at it from a totally different angle than I am used to reading about.
I am very familiar with his view of the conspiricy theory stuff though. It is all pretty much in line with what I read back in the 80's and 90's. Everything else is a logical growth of that. Anyway I understood that stuff, and think it makes sense. IDK about the alien slant though. Overall it is very x-files... and I mean that in a good way.
Quite a bit of truth, and some craziness... just like here, but a different flavor. I could not verify anything of the fall article, but I can verify his FEMA articles and several of the other more politically based articles. They are standard conspiricy theory ideas, and there is a great deal of truth to them... no new information though, at least not that I found. Nothing from2009 and what they think of OBAMA. I guess the jury is still out on that. ;D
Anyway it is an interesting site! Thanks Stoner!!
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Jun 4, 2009 1:37:52 GMT -5
Post by stonerwolf on Jun 4, 2009 1:37:52 GMT -5
yeah, it seems like a lot of bullshit with a little bit of gold scattered about LOL
not sure what to make of the ET stuff and genetic experiments, but i think it is irrelevant either way... the only important stuff, or as i figure the only important stuff, is the dimensions and vibrations, but heck, that's pretty iffy too lol just more popularly acceptable.
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Jul 3, 2009 4:45:06 GMT -5
Post by cassiel on Jul 3, 2009 4:45:06 GMT -5
Ever ponder, if Demurge, Lucifer, Michael, the big bad wolf, and a plethora of infinite have all been of the same Individual all along?
What a trip that would be, trippy.
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Jul 3, 2009 12:39:48 GMT -5
Post by KG on Jul 3, 2009 12:39:48 GMT -5
WE are all connected... and in that way we are all part of the same big thing, but if Michael, Lucifer, and Demurge are all the same person, then You, I and Stoner are also all the same person.
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Jul 3, 2009 12:42:41 GMT -5
Post by a'Lan Mandragoran on Jul 3, 2009 12:42:41 GMT -5
I tend to think that we're all figments of someone's imagination personally. Right now, that person hates me... but meh
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