Post by Kata Samoes on Mar 27, 2010 0:14:49 GMT -5
A friend of mine has mentioned to me, again, that his baptism has impeded on his ability to control magick and do spells to his full potential. The reason this is, his faith is not Christian and so his energies are guided to Pagan deities. Unfortunately, being blessed by baptism ceremony, have put a damper on polar focus: meant to aim for guidance by Yahweh, Christ, and the Sephiroth instead of other deities.
This may be the case for his daughter as well if she gets baptized. Not saying why.
Now, I've known for years that baptism can be removed if so wish, just like with any other religious ritual blessing. I'm realigning my energies based on the last passing of the Hakune Nom'ra Monet', and in the meantime I want to finally find a method or tips on finding it so I may assist him.
So, you Christians out there, what do you think?
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I do not believe that a clean normal baptism would effect his relationship with Pagan dieties. Even being a full blown Christian like myself, does not interfere with me getting along just fine with any other diety... because there is really no difference besides perception in pantheons. The Romans and the Greeks knew this, and so did many other ancient cultures. Religions are specific, but spirituality is universal.
My own practice is the same in most ways as most eastern religions. It always was even when I was only trained in the pentecostal church, and developing my own practice intuitively. I also have no problems learning practices from yoga masters, or buddhists, or taoists. Why? Because it isthe same thing. Mantra, Tongues... it's the same principle.
As for the nastiest of negative occult practices? There is a whole brand of Magick designed for Catholic Priests... and it involve infant sacrifice, and all sorts of horendous things, but they say no one can do it except an ordained Catholic priest. That is what some priests were doing during the height of the heritic trials. They wree burning real Christians who sensed the taint in their church, and seeking the truth on their own, while practicing nasty murderous rites, and being a priest made them more powerful not less... so again even with Satanic bizzaro land rituals of the worst kind baptism doesn't stop it.
I know pagans who were baptised, and they do just fine performing any sort of magick they want... more sacred than physical baptism is the baptism of the holy spirit, with evidence of speaking in tongues. I know a pagan who has a lot of power, or so people say, I know he officiates in rituals within his coven, and he's a priest with them. Not only was he baptised twice, he still prays in tongues, the sign of a true and really devout Christian, in our faith, as a holdover from his pentecostal days. He doens't consider it a conflict of interest at all. He likes praying in tongues, and he likes being pagan. He also still respects me, as the person who laid hands on him to recieve his tongues. He has no problem with Jesus either, he just has a problem with church doctrines, and stuffy attitudes... same as me really.
So I guess what I am getting at is that the rite of baptism in itself should not cause any problems with any sort of magick he wants to do. Other than true Satanism, there should be no conflict of interest... especially not with pagan dieties.
That leaves two possibilities for the problems your friend is experiencing. One is psychological. Maybe HE feels conflicted. Maybe he is angry and hurt, with the church or with God, but still feels alegence and deep down he thinks the magick is wrong, because of the things they teach in church. The demurgian church is very propriatary, just like it always has been. Demiurge just wants to cause division, and he thinks that's the way it is. Most Christians are taught that if it isn't in the bible it isn't right, but that's not really the whole truth. If he was taught that, though, he may feel that he can't or shouldn't do the ritual, but he wants to do these rituals, so he thinks his baptism is holding him back when in fact it's his own mind and some emotion akin to guilt or disloyalty, or some other set of conflicting emotions.
Secondly, it could be the energy off the ministers who baptised him. Maybe it wasnt a clean pure baptism, and maybe Demiurge's energy got in there... God knows most christians now days worship him more than God, and don't know the difference, but their attitudes give them away. It could easily be that he got tainted towards Demiurge and all this does sound demurgian.
Could you talk to him a bit more Kata and explain my theory about demiurge to him? About how religion and ritual is different than the practice of real esoteric christians? Maybe you could get him to a place where he'd not be so traumatized by what happened at church and get a better understanding about universal spirituality. Anyway the way I see it, is if baptism is interfering with his practice, then either it's psychological, or he got something besides the baptism in his baptism.
Anyway I think you need to view him, and see if there are any links or ties to that church or people in that church who may be trying to control him. That is the third possibility. Faith based magick says that you can claim your household for the lord. It could be his mom or his grandma, or some other person, even not in the family is trying to prevent him from doing Magick thinking that he will go to hell for his practice. I would definitely look at that before I would undoing the baptism. See what kinds of links and bindings he might have on him. Binding is another practice of Christianity. It's intended to be used on neg spirits, and people who are likely to do harm to themselves or others. If you are attacked either physically astrally or spiritually, and can get the words out quick enough, and hold the right state of faith, you can make them stop by binding them. It doesn't always work mostly due to the state of mind people are in when they are being attacked, but if you can keep your cool it does work... anyway someone could be binding him aganst using Magick... maybe because they fear he would use it against them, or just the fact they think it is wrong.
Those are my best suggestions, but I might think of others.
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