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Post by dania on Dec 30, 2006 2:15:27 GMT -5
How can you love yourself while constantly threatening suicide, wishing you would die a violent death, and believing the whole point of your existance is to end your existance? That is not love. If you loved yourself, you would be able to accept that you are only one man; you cannot bear the weight of the world on your shoulders; don't expect that you should, no one can. Even Atlas struggles with it, and he is a Titan; not a mortal.
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Post by stonerwolf on Dec 30, 2006 2:29:02 GMT -5
roflmfao when, and where did i EVER wish a violent death upon myself?!?
that is completely contradictory to my belief that suffering serves no purpose and should not befall any being with awareness of such.
yeah, i wouldnt say i want to die per se, but i do want out, and death appears to be the only way left.
i DONT, however, want to leave this place in it's current state of suffering either, i am compelled to do something to eliminate all suffering... however there appears, quite distinctly, that there is nothing anyone can do alone, and nothing anyone WILL do together to work toward harmony.
suffering is primarily psychosomatic, you dont feel that much pain, that much suffering, when your finger is cut off, until you see it, the psychosomatic sight of blood and a missing body part will induce a high level of suffering.
im not saying it is painless, but it is bearable in all truth of the matter. but like i said, the sight of the finger and blood will induce a strongly negative reaction.
untill other people can get over their fears of pain and death, suffering will continue to grip people.
do zebras suffer when they are caught by a lion? they might display pain, that is only natural, but do they suffer the pain, or accept it?
i dont say do without negativity, i say do without suffering.
it is a negative thing, to kill for food, but it doesnt have to be, minds can be freed of ignorance and know the truth of the situation, but some force unknown to me forces the darkness of ignorance upon us all, none are to know what is truly happening in any given situation, the true knowledge is shadowed over with psychosomatic and/or prejudice perceptions, paraded as truth.
what can i do to eliminate the darkness of ignorance, what can i, one person, do to eliminate suffering?
so long as other people experience suffering, so too will i.
i feel the world.
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Post by dania on Dec 30, 2006 2:46:44 GMT -5
On the page preceeding this one:
I couldn't have said it better myself. So stop thinking about how much you are suffering, how pointless your life is, how much you can't do. Start thinking about how much you CAN do, start thinking about the good things you have in your life. And don't you tell me that you can't do anything, that you have no good things; if you did, you'd be flat out lying.
I'm just curious, why do you view killing for food as a negative thing? I don't, and I know many others who don't either.
You can start by ending your own ignorance, before you can ever hope to eliminate others'. I can't tell you what will eliminate suffering; what I can tell you is that what you are doing now, ain't worth a lick. You're currently doing nothing. You are sitting there, trying to convince me that your life is worthless, because you cannot do something you will make no attempt to do.
I don't believe that you, as one person, can end all suffering in every world. But have you ever told a joke to make a crying child laugh? Have you ever been friendly to someone who no one ever talked to, and seen their face and eyes light up to have some friendly contact finally? Have you ever watched the fear leave the face of a loved one, because you were there? You cannot eliminate all suffering by yourself; but you can eliminate the suffering of the people in your life; you can bring joy to those around you, and they will in turn bring joy to those around them. You can't do it all yourself, but you can start the chain in motion.
But you, you're just sitting there.
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Post by stonerwolf on Dec 30, 2006 3:28:18 GMT -5
yeah... people tend to say things when they are angry or depressed. i want a way out, and at the time of posting, the violence didnt seem like a proble,. it was a way out.
it still sits in the same light, but that doesnt mean i WANT to suffer.
i cant say there's nothing i can do, just that there is nothing i know of that can or will make a worthwhile difference.
to inflict pain upon another is negative.
to kill a deer, you must impose pain upon it's body. while a deer, i believe, as with all animals, is/are above suffering, and have a knowing of the way things work, an understanding of what their sacrifice means to the hunter, they do not suffer. for the same reason a zebra does not suffer a lion attack. the lion is no less negative to attack.
but i never said anything about eliminating negativity, just simply that inflicting pain is a negative thing to do. ends justify the means?
positive to eat, to survive, negative to kill to eat. exchange one life for another, whose life is truly worth more in the world? no way to know, we are trapped in darkness of such insights.
yeah, all the little positive things add up, all the big things too, but they are at odds with the negativity.
i can, and i do eliminate an extent of suffering in people around me, but inadvertently, i annoy the shit out of them, and they make themselves suffer because of the way i talk a lot, or type loudly on the computer, or my political opinions, which is why we never discuss anything meaningful to me, because it only manages to upset my mother.
i may have pride that i can see past the materialistic society i live in, but i am ashamed that i live in it. and that just doesnt sit well with my family.
i can handle my own suffering, and in fact, i mostly do not. but that does not free me from the suffering everyone else experiances, i cannot end their suffering, nor can i ignore the feelings people get when they suffer. i cannot bear to watch a person cry, i feel their pain, but there are many people who i cannot help, half way around the world, whome hold me back with their suffering, i cannot free myself from other people's suffering, only mine.
and i suffer their suffering, if i can end that, i wont suffer, as my suffering is mostly empathic, and partly sympathetic.
i have tried to gain a more apathetic stance, but it is difficult, as if i am turning my back on the people who suffer.
if you all suffer, we all suffer.
equality in all; (self) control, emotions, intelligence, wisdom, and knowledge.
power to the masses to control their lives equally.
YOU all control your lives with great success as compared to me who cant figure it out despite all the advice and help you have given.
i still dont get it, how i am responsible, in control of my situation. i fail to see it, remove the darkness that enshrouds my mind, shine divine light of knowledge upon my being, else you cannot help me nor can i help myself until i have some knowledge.
i have heard of spiritual melding, combining your being with another person's being, sharing any and all knowledge, emotions and ideas with intimate accuracy unpreceded by any spoken language.
can not someone enter my being and decipher what i am missing, or would that be interfering with my free will...? my free will to allow this does not apply?!
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Post by dania on Dec 30, 2006 11:25:26 GMT -5
::shakes her head:: those statements are a convoluted mess of self contradiction. Are you saying that we can eliminate the fact that the need to kill for food is negative, but that you still see it as negative? Why is it negative when we put a well aimed shot in a deers heart, but not negative when a lion runs it down and rips it limb from limb?
Then stop it.
Do not be ashamed that you live in this society. I've been there, too, believe me. But it's pointless. You have no control over where you are born; you have to make do with what you were given. Do not be ashamed of the hand you were dealt; deal with it. Make it work for you and thrive.
So you're an empath. So am I, so are alot of people here. Most empaths struggle with this. You need to shield yourself. As much as you might see it as an abomination to "turn away" from everyone's need, your feeling as they feel all of the time is hurtful to yourself. You may think it's your duty to carry the weight of the world, to bear everyone else's pain so that they don't have to. I once felt this way as well; we all have crosses to bear, let us each bear our own; only one with no cross to bear can afford to carry anothers'.
But you didn't say you couldn't help yourself. You said you refused to try. You CAN help yourself, but you refuse to take any advice we try to give you; we cannot give you a magic pill that will cure all of your ills; to expect that of us is absurd.
Yes I know very well of the concept. It's not that we think it's against your free will, in fact, that concern is farthest from my mind. But we have tried to help you time and time again, and you have insulted us, flat out told us you were unwilling to put forth the effort. It's insulting. I'm not even sure why I'm still trying to help you. If you are only going to whine, and complain, and then when we try to help you flat out refuse to try to help yourself, and then demand that we go that far out of our way to help you, then why the hell should we?
What is it that you want, for someone to reach inside you, make you see the light, and fix everything for you? Maybe I can. Maybe I can do what you ask. But I won't. I refuse. Until you stop insulting me, and start trying to help yourself, and quit whining about a situation that you refuse to change, I will not help you in that way.
I'm perfectly willing to help you if you are willing to stand on your own two feet. But you're not, so I'm not.
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Post by Kata Samoes on Dec 30, 2006 18:50:34 GMT -5
Sorry. Reposting deleted message from Stoner.
Please move this to PM, Dania and Stoner. It's getting annoying. lol
"*shakes my head back* try listening to me for a f**king change, pardon the swearing, but i an not appreciating your ignorance.
i SAID they are BOTH negative, i SAID that a lion attacking is no less negative than a hunter. what i SAID was that the animals, the non human life forms, are closer in union than we are, and KNOW why the lion or hunter attacks, they KNOW what their saccrifice is for, and they are able to accept it instead of suffering.
i wish i had that kind of knowledge, but i do not! therefore, i will continue to suffer so long as others do. until i know what their suffering MEANS, the purpose of it, it will only hurt me as well.
i've tried blocking it, but the guilt does not make that by any means possible. i've annaylized the guilt factor, and the conclusion has always been the same; equality, unity. if you suffer, we all suffer equally.
crosses? what?
i tried in the past, and my failure has only suppressed me further, you want me to fail more? is trying REALLY worth the effort? when i dont know how to do what you all suggest i do, i dont even know the first thing of it, i have tried, i have failed. i am through with failing, i wont try anymore until i have an absolute method that fails to fail.
i am sick of failure, i am sick of trying, i am sick of the lessons that we must learn, lessons learned a thousand times over, and will apparently be learned a thousand times more... i see no progress in existence, it is just a big ball of nothing, that is everything, and wholly pointless.
in the beginning of our universe, "god" was whole. god was one. there was only one, and there can be only one.
god became to a degree, selfish, and lonely, and thus split into the infinite all which is reality as we know it.
before god split, the universe was a big empty white place. full of light and everything that made "god" happy, EXCEPT "he" was alone.
so he split, and the universe became infinite blackness, from infinite whiteness. everything god had created was blown away, scattered across the infinite all.
GOD made a mistake, and now WE ALL suffer for it, as we all ARE god. just infinite fragments thereof.
i strive to unite all with all else, and become that singularity, otherwise there is only suffering, learning, and pointless experiences, specked with happinesses here and there, which more often than not are just as negative as they are positive.
there is no ultimate goal, as we are all choosing our own selfish or personal goals, and it is just creating this giant enigma of pointless drivel.
and Dania... when did i insult you? how did i insult you? and what makes you think i was not offended by your responses to me before i ever insulted you?
neither of us really knows what's going on here, we are just pitting our egos against one another and not even trying to reach a conclusion. well i know i am trying, but in my efforts, i argue to no end, until i have indisputable proof that i am wrong.
or indisputable proof that you are right.
the only thing i can think of anymore that could even BEGIN to help me is spirit melding.
if i had/knew my soulmate, i wouldnt even be bothering anyone here like this.
but i am alone... loneliness wouldnt suck if there was only one. but there are many, and yet i am alone.
sure, i have many people who care about me, but none of them care enough. i have no one to hold, to cuddle, no one to sweet talk, or express myself to without fear of judgment. i have no such mate, no mate at all. if my soulmate really exists, where is (s)he?"
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Post by stonerwolf on Dec 30, 2006 19:53:58 GMT -5
rofl nice save
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Post by wolfblade25 on Apr 14, 2008 15:23:43 GMT -5
awww I love how the people here are so caring, thats a really cool thing and makes me glad i joined all the more. (Edit: Wow i didnt realize there were 3 pages lol, i thought there was just 1..my mistake...but the logic follows through all the same) SO when it comes to spirit guides......i cant remember 85% of my dreams either, But sometimes when i do have them, they can be interesting......But i dont recall ever having an animal in my dreams. I have always wanted to find my spirit guide and allow them to be known to me.....but with no dreams and inability to travel throughout the astral....i suppose it will just have to wait lol. Either way, I hope to meet them and thank them for protecting me in whatever ways they could. Much love and respect to you all *hug*
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Post by stonerwolf on Apr 17, 2008 9:59:27 GMT -5
aww i thought this tread could die... heh
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Post by Ko'an Noi on Jul 18, 2008 13:46:37 GMT -5
My guides have been in-and-out for me. I most often "see" wolves and dragons. I'm not quite sure whether to attribute the dragons (which, I mean, are really, really abundant. They're friggin' everywhere I turn) to the fact that I'm kin, or not.
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Post by iedfuuembuutu on Dec 23, 2010 16:28:41 GMT -5
I saw this topic and was EXTREMELY overjoyed! As I posted in my newcomers thread my user name is actually the name of my spirit guide. He came to me in a deep state of meditation. In my state i saw nothing but blank darkness, and out of nowhere a fire-ball exploded towards me as it approached i didn't feel fear or anxiety, but a feeling of calming and comfort over came me. As the fire ball hurled towards me, it slowed and eventually stopped. I saw the fire open like a gateway and I saw my guide. He was an old shaman from what appeared to be Africa. His eyes were stunningly green and his staff was a branch from the tree of enlightenment. He had a amethyst embedded in this forehead, and he spoke with the most beautiful voice to me. As our time came to a close he placed his hand on my heart and told me who he was and what he was meant to do. Thank you for letting me share this. This event holds a great significance to me.
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Post by KG on Dec 24, 2010 2:16:26 GMT -5
That is so cool!!! Your guide sounds awesome! It's so strange how our reactions can guide us to know whether something is there to help us or hurt us. Funny how something that seems innocent to describe can put us on guard, while something like a fireball hurling towards us is calming. It's all about being able to sense intent, and it sounds like you have a talent for it. Great to have you on the team here.
Kim
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Post by iedfuuembuutu on Dec 24, 2010 2:19:32 GMT -5
Thank you. Im glad you find it interesting lol
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