|
Post by Kata Samoes on Dec 27, 2006 11:28:34 GMT -5
Founder twisted my words. Fascinating.
Your inferiority complex, and me saying you need to get beyond it is the criticism. My opinion of you, that I think you're an idiot, should not be a threat to you.
I do not know you, and I have no power over you. You know that, yet you freak out if things don't go your way. Don't get so upset so easily, or easily trust those who do fuel your ego, and you'll be a better person.
Tsk.
|
|
|
Post by tara on Dec 27, 2006 11:59:29 GMT -5
Darkness Avatar, you could be right, just about everyone is slightly contaminated by the Demurge in one way or another. Either they have confused him with God at some point in time, because he pretends to be God, or they hate him so badly that it leads to his kind of behavior. You know the quote about how monster hunters can themselves become the monster. I've done a little of both in my time, and I dont' kid myself that I am not contaminated... but I want to see him dead more than anyone... I just don't know how to kill him so that he stays dead. He is a god basically, putting it in common terms. How do you kill a god? There's always a way, everyone has a weakness, the challenge it's to find it, on the fundamentalists church's level they tell you that to question "god" and that to seek for knowledge it's forbidden, wonder why? Because the answer is there. It's not convenient for him for anyone to find it, it is my belief that his strength comes from the souls he feeds on (the believers) just like any other god, yes our very souls energy on the form of prayers are food to the gods , trick is, How do we cut of that source enough to starve him to death.......
|
|
|
Post by stonerwolf on Dec 27, 2006 14:38:48 GMT -5
i am aghast, honestly, i am.
Founder gives me such advice, yet he cant even take it to heart and help himself, but expects that much of others...
hmm...
perhaps i shouldn't be that surprised... but still... if the founder expects to be capable of advising others, helping other people, perhaps he should start taking some of his own advice more...
|
|
|
Post by Xavrael on Dec 27, 2006 17:32:49 GMT -5
This has become Horrifically one sided actually. IF, it has been agreed upon that Neither Founder, NOR Kata can present "evidence" that contradicts the other's opinion, then KATA shouldn't have called Founder an Idiot in the first place. Pure and Simple. Sure its an opinion, but it is also an Insult. To expect someone to take an Insult lightly is foolish. To expect FOUNDER to take an Insult Lightly is pure idiocy ( ). So far, all i've seen is Kata being a monkey (as always) and calling Founder an idiot and Founder trying to defend himself from said comment then all of a sudden, everyone gets on his case for that, and that is for lack of a better term, unfair. Nevermind what he does Else where, on his forum or on anyone elses - The fact is, HERE, he is defending himself from a stupid comment made by Kata that was highly unnecessary. Unless - Can you Truely say they are not slaves anymore Kata? I mean...come on. The ring the Goetia demons were held in was crafted by God? (even *if* it was crafted by the Demurge, KG has already stated that he is for lack of a better term (again) a god). So how the hell would they get free? Who knows. Food for thought. Either way, you guys are wrong for slapping Founder on the Wrist for defending himself. And Stoner, he gave you advice that was probably the same thing we were telling you, the fact that you're a lost cause isn't something to be blaming on someone else. There have been moments were Founder has shown his ass in very odd ways, but in this particular instance, it is/was his right to defend himself, and I don't see that right changing anytime soon unless Founder goes apeshit and decides to burn someone's house down (namely kata's). P.S. How to Kill Demurge? Well... Don't be surprised if the Actual God (I.E. Creationary force that does not only reside in heaven but encompasses everything from there onward into eternity showing no beginning or end-ish, you know whom i mean KG.) doesn't already have a plan for that. (not professing special knowledge mind you, just saying... O.o)
|
|
|
Post by Kata Samoes on Dec 27, 2006 20:43:40 GMT -5
I am wrong for stating an opinion. Okay, I can deal with that view.
I did go a little beyond for it. However, Founder freaked out over a small thing, using a past grudge to make it worse. I do not see how anyone is wrong for telling him to calm down.
|
|
|
Post by tara on Dec 27, 2006 23:35:41 GMT -5
P.S. How to Kill Demurge? Well... Don't be surprised if the Actual God (I.E. Creationary force that does not only reside in heaven but encompasses everything from there onward into eternity showing no beginning or end-ish, you know whom i mean KG.) doesn't already have a plan for that. (not professing special knowledge mind you, just saying... O.o) *grins-oh-evily*
|
|
|
Post by Xavrael on Dec 27, 2006 23:42:21 GMT -5
Nah, you're not wrong for stating your opinion, it was just iffy not to expect him to react the way he did. It was after all an insult. Did he have to take the bait? no, but he did, and it was his right to do so.
All in all both of you drew on that whole past argument though judging from the responses. Either way, most of it was unnecessary. Founder stated his opinion, should have left it at that, if you yourself couldn't back up your own words (after calling him an idiot) - you *Could* have simply stated your opinion, SANS Idiot part because your opinion is every bit as valid as his (as far as we know anyway, you draw on person experience that you feel is certain, as do most of us with these things).
Regardless, where you went wrong Kata was with the Idiot part. Thats it. After that, it was all a downward spiral on both parties so...yeah. *shrug*
Figured i'd lend a voice as the devil's advocate since Founder was being "ganged up on" for something that he had every right to be mad for.
|
|
|
Post by Kata Samoes on Dec 28, 2006 0:10:02 GMT -5
Allright
|
|
|
Post by KG on Dec 28, 2006 14:05:26 GMT -5
Xav is right. Maybe Kata shouldn't have called him an idiot, but he obviously does that. I don't think it is any different to him than Xav calling somebody a monkey. We all have our personalities, and Kata is free to have his, even if it means he addresses people as idiot. It seems to be just an expression for him, and lets face it we are all idiots sometimes. Especially by his definition of the word, which I identify heavily with from time to time. LOL
For me being called an idiot is no big deal. I grew up around people who use a lot of colorful language. Heck idiot is term of affection, compared to some of the things I have been called in my lifetime. Name calling, and personal insults really do not mean anything to me, but it has always been a pet peave of Founders. I find someone insulting my beliefs, ideas, and especially dieties, much more upsetting. He sees nothing wrong with that. I actually discussed that with Founder many times, but we have never agreed on that.
I have to say I am wearing the idiot hat today. I have had my share of heated discussions with Founder, to be sure, but we are still friends, and he is a very good guy. He is also a great councilor. He has his own problems just like everyone else Stoner. No he isn't perfect, and before you get any illusions about it neither am I. No one is, and he has hang ups same as the rest of us. He suffers from anxiety and self doubt from time to time same as the rest of us. I do too, and so does everyone here. He needs our thoughts, and prayers, and whatever good energy we can throw his way, just like everyone else.
I'd like to throw in a few words here about Counciling. It doesn't requre a perfect person to do that. If it did we would have no Councilors in the world. Everyone would say, sorry, I have my own problems to deal with. It is very true, and everyone in the world could justify saying that. It would be a really crappy world if everyone did that though, now wouldn't it. It would be just great if no one would help anyone else in any way because they are so tied up with their own problems. Some people are that way. I mean ever stand in a parking lot with a set of jumper cables and a dead battery asking for a start? Everyone is rushing to their cars to leave some event. About one in 10 to 1 in 20 will stop cause they figure someone else can do it, and they are busy. Even something as simple as that... and people hesitate to help. Counciling takes hours, and a lot of emotional energy. However some people are special enough to dig deep and give even in the midst of their own needs. Founder is one of those people. He might get angry at times, but he has the patience of Job, when he is really working with someone. I support Founder and his work to get out the word on the falling veil on HT. I consider his work very important.
Founder is a dear friend of mine, and for every quarrel we have ever had we've had at least a dozen good and productive discussions. I don't tend to sensor what I say to Founder, but I shouldn't have said anything in this case. I just had a knee jerk reaction based on the fact I felt he was actually suggesting I ban Kata. I found the idea that he was telling me to Ban someone on this forum, who is an active participant on his own forum was kind of bossy, and you know how I get when people get too bossy with me. LOL I have been bossy with him before so he would be within his rights.
I PMed and asked him though, and he didn't even mean what I thought he meant. It was just a comment about my way of running the forum. I was stating that I don't like rules, or banning people, or breaking my own rules on the forum. I know me and if we had rules I'd be so tempted to break them just on general principle... cause I hate lengthy sets of rules. It becomes impossible not to break them if you have too many, and that would be hypocritical for me to break my own rules. Then what am I supposed to do, schold myself on the Forum. NOW KIM you know you aren't supposed to call people idiots. LOL
Anyway I was the one truely out of line. There are many ways to handle that kind of critizism of being called an idiot. I didn't interpret that Kata meant it personally. Founder reacted by defending himself, and that is an OK way to handle it. I don't think he needs me to take up for him, or make a big issue out of this, cause it was no big deal. We have all argued before and said things much worse than idiot, over on HT... not on Spirit Sense though, so I was a little upset. WE don't usually argue here. I'd really like to keep it that way.
I just thought Banning Kata was a totally crazy suggestion. Turns out he wasn't actually suggesting that.
Anyway sorry to anyone offended, and especially Founder.
|
|
|
Post by stonerwolf on Dec 28, 2006 17:43:33 GMT -5
lol im not blaming anyone that im a lost cause, if anything, i am saying the founder needs to take his own advice.
|
|
|
Post by KG on Dec 28, 2006 18:55:46 GMT -5
I know you aren't accusing anyone Stoner. You are a sweetie. This whole thing just got out of hand. People are touchy about different things at different times. I hope no one is really mad. And no you aren't hoepless. You are actually a pretty good guy.
We are all good people here, doing the best we can, though whatever problems we may have. I think sometimes we loose site of that, and get a little unsure of where each other stand. I think we have all got to stick together and work on this.
One thing is for sure though, I've never known a doctor or a councilor who could apply his/her wisdom to himself, as well as he could other people. Even Councilors need councilors... but they are always difficult patients. Ever see a doctor having to be a patient in a hospital? They are not happy campers. LOL
|
|
|
Post by KG on Dec 28, 2006 19:03:36 GMT -5
Yes, definately.
|
|