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Post by Kata Samoes on Dec 4, 2006 11:20:02 GMT -5
Stop being so negative, stoner, and closed minded. Life only gets worse when you're always negative.
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Post by stonerwolf on Dec 4, 2006 21:37:29 GMT -5
unlike everyone else, i need a point, a reason, a purpose.
what's the point in being? fill in the blank with anything, happy, sad, annoyed, anything you can be, what is the point?
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Post by Xavrael on Dec 4, 2006 23:57:30 GMT -5
and like everyone else, you wont get a clear cut answer, seeing as how that is different for everyone. The purpose of some is to be with loved ones, others its simply to grow and learn from experience to experience.
But i guess i could answer your question with another question. Why not?
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Post by stonerwolf on Dec 5, 2006 0:22:23 GMT -5
im not looking for personal purpose, no, im looking for a point in existance.
exerything exists, the infinite all...
NOW...
WHY?!?
what is the point in ANYTHING existing, A ALL, regardless of anything else, what is the point of existance?
further more, why the F**k am i not presented with the option to end my being??? i dont want to play this asinine game anymore, eternity, let alone eternal life, no longer interests me in the least bit.
infinity to learn, infinity to experiance, and no reason to, other than to.
not reason enough for me. pointless.
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Post by Kata Samoes on Dec 5, 2006 10:51:20 GMT -5
You find no point yet keep bitching.
If you do not have the strength to live, at least have the strength to end it.
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Post by Xavrael on Dec 5, 2006 12:30:14 GMT -5
*smothers kata* Dont listen to him. Suicide is never an answer. If anything it'll just make things harder.
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Post by stonerwolf on Dec 5, 2006 15:07:13 GMT -5
ha F**k you. i die tonight.
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Post by KG on Dec 5, 2006 19:53:19 GMT -5
Stoner everyone else here has a point, a reason and a purpose. I am a mother of two. I work to support them. I have a rich astral life, and I enjoy it. I am an artist, a writer, and I also have a weekend job, I keep house I home school, and I stay busy. I have my problems, but I don't waste a lot of time worrying about them. I actually try NOT to think of what is wrong, but I can see there is a lot right in the world also, and a lot that is right in my life.
As for the rest of us, we all work and or go to school or college. WE all have relationships with other human beings, and not just on line. Some of us actually try to help our parents. Some of us are needed by our family and friends. Some of us are actually worth a damn.
I am sorry that we all find it hard to feel pity for someone who will not help himself, or anyone else, but chooses to point out the negative facets of life, and use it as an excuse for complete inaction. You threaten to suicide. I say what difference does it make, with your attitude you are dead to this world already. I would suggest that you try to resurect yourself, not kill yourself since you are already dead or might as well be. Wake up. Grow up. Get alife, and stop your whining.
All of us could sit around and bitch. I mean it doens't take a very bright person to find something to complain about. I think your whole rant and all your rants before are stupid, and groundless whining that you do to justify your total lack of responsibility. YOu didn't ask to be born, none of us did, but some of us actually appreciate the opportuinity. Life is a gift, and you waste yours.
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Post by Del on Dec 5, 2006 20:26:01 GMT -5
There goes that constructive tone of hers... Kim knows how many times I used to complain to her about stuff...and then how many times she'd spank me about it...yell rather than spank but you get the point Dwelling on all of the bad things will just turn you into a mass of negativity that will eat away at you until nothing is left and then you cease to exist. To me, this is a big cry for attention. You've recieved it, generously, now shape up.
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Post by stonerwolf on Dec 5, 2006 22:32:00 GMT -5
lol i never wanted attention, least of all like this, KG, i never wanted pity either.
i wanted reason, justifyable cause for existance.
all i get is cope with it or shut up.
im sorry i've been so difficult to work with, but if i were easy, what would there be for YOU to learn?
in any case, i apolagize.
my problems are my own, no one elses, and i have to stop dreaming of an existance where everytihng is perfectly acceptable, where negativity cant even exist.
you're (probably) right, as per the other thread, i probably dont have the guts to take my own life, but as per Del, either i will learn to accept this meaningless drab existance, or i will let it swallow me up untill i dont exist anymore.
either way, i guess i'll have what i want.
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Post by KG on Dec 6, 2006 14:48:09 GMT -5
I am sorry too Stoner, it is just so frustrating. There is no way to work within the frame work you allow. Life is kind of hard, but not as hard as you are making it. NO matter what I suggest it will not work, because you don't believe in taking money, you can't find any comfort in meditation, you can't get the astral experience you seek. When I say you should do a project you find some excuse... I don't know Stoner.
Your life is not impossible, but it is impossible under the limitations you place on yourself. There is no way you can live in American culture without money. There is no way you can completely exist, without working in any way, anywhere in the world.
Money is not evil, at least not the concept. Money is the way we buy things. If we didn't have money we would bartar, but then you get stuck with a lot of stuff you don't want, and don't get what you need every time. Most of us see money as a means to survive, feed our families, and we like getting a paycheck, or a little cash now and then. It is necessary. Not that anyone hordes it or gets it out and plays with it, and rolls in it like scrouge McDuck. IT is just a way to get food, clothing and shelter for ourselves and the people we love.
Most of us feel a responsibility to our parents. Several of us care for, or have cared for sick and elderly parents, and we have to make sure they have what they need. I have children, and a husband. I am not sure anyone else here is married, but all of us are in a family system, where love for those people far exceeds all but the most rudimentary principles of morals, or ethics. Would I steal to feed my children. Hell yes, if that was the only way. Would I lie, or kill to protect them. IN a heartbeat. Principles have their place, but not above human life. Your parents will grow old, and they will need to depend on you. Eventually you should also have other people who depend on you. Even if not you depend on yourself, but most people end up in some sort of group that is interdependent. The first one being family, then extended family, and then friends. We all need to count on each other, and people need to be able to count on you.
I have suggested, after you insisted you couldn't take money, that you do volunteer work and try to help people. Have you done that? Have you worked a soup kitchen, or done volunteer work at a hospital, or prison? Have you even visited the prisons? Have you signed up for the peace corps? Have you agreed to go with a missionary group, or a group to build houses in New Orleans? That is much needed, and you could help people that way.
You suffering helps no one. The kids in Africa are not helped because you are miserable, but if you signed up to go there and distribute food, you would be able to help them. It is not true that when one suffers we all suffer. IT is true that we will all suffer till someone gets off their duff and fixes problems. Some people have a lot of money, and skills, and they can fix a lot of problems. Bill Gates, and Donald trump are in a position to knock a dent in world hunger, but they don't seem to be working on it. President Bush could do something, but obviously that isn't on his agenda... there fore Stoner it is up to people like you and me to do something, anything to help people. It doesn't matter what people, because all people need help. Your parents I am sure need help. The people at the local hospital need help. Prisoners in prison need help. The animals at the humane society need help... and there is always Greenpeace and Save the whales.
Refusing to take part in life doesn't help anyone. IT is a waste, and you can't make something out of nothing, or doing nothing. You have to work, you have do something to try to make a difference. You are a young strong able bodied man, and that alone makes you capable of doing something to help someone.
Complaining doesn't solve problems. Though war protests, and such do make a difference. Since you are just sitting there, have you thought about going to war protests? Have you thougth about maybe building websites to protest things? Sites are free, and you have time to put them up, and that is all it takes. I think you need to do something. Anything. IT will make you feel better to acomplish something. That is what I have said all along.
With most people, they need to take time and sit down and contemplate. The eastern people... and I don't mean this as racist, but they are active, they are ambitious, and they work really hard. Therefore their prophets had to tell them to learn to contemplate. They tend to be proactive so Confusious, told them there was a time to wait, to lay back and to be patient. That isn't the case with you. YOu have a tendency to do that anyway. You need to do. The Chineese don't have to be told to do things. They naturally don't tend to sit still. Have you ever watched an oriental person work. They are never still, unless they try to be. Your task is opposite. You know how to be still everywhere but your mind. YOur mind is using the energy your body isn't to destroy itself with negative thought. What you need to do is get out, work at something, whether it pays or not is immaterial. Money won't kill you, but inactivity will drive you nuts.
I know I was harsh Stoner, but I have tried very hard not to be for the past year, and you aren't listening to that. I have tried to talk sense, and cajole, and comfort, but you don't get that. My point is simple. Even though you are young healthy and other than that one problem we discussed your body is perfectly sound. There is no reason anything should hold you back from working, and doing things that help people. You are depressed, but people get that way when they sit and do nothing. It is just psychology, and brain chemestry even. If your body isn't busy, the mind tries to use that energy. If it finds no constructive way to work either, then it gets destructive. Your mind has gone into self destruct mode, as all our minds do when we give up and sit.
My grandmother was a very up beat, busy person till her husband died, and then she gradually shut down. She felt guilty for every bit of fun she had after he died. We would be talking and everyone would laugh, and she would say in this depressed morbid tone, "I sure wish G.... was here to see this." It got worse. We would take her out on drives in the country. She pointed out every cemietary, and listed the people burried there. We would take her out to enjoy the fall color, and she would point out the dead trees. She died at the age of 83, so misery in itself will not kill you.
So Anyway I have experience with people who want to be miserable. There is nothing that can be done for them from the outside, but we all try anyway. No one can fix this but you, and I have told you all I know about how to fix it. I hope you at least try some of this. It is my only suggestion. Either A get a job, B do volunteer work, or C Protest. Do something you find worthwhile. Make your life count. I really thing that would make you feel better.
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Post by stonerwolf on Dec 7, 2006 10:21:00 GMT -5
do unto others as you would have others do unto you...
well i cant do that, cuz im already born, and my doing unto others would be never having children.
so now what, should i jsut kill everyone untill someone shoots me? since we all know i am too weak to end my life myself and all...
we all know i am too lazy to earn happiness, we all know i am too self loating to get out of this pit of depression on my own efforts, so what the F**k?
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Post by Xavrael on Dec 7, 2006 16:56:41 GMT -5
Wtf indeed. You consign yourself to become a pitiful waste of human existence, and so you are. We are what we make ourselves (knowingly or not). And this is what you want to be. Fine. Whatever - Here for you regardless. But please: Stop bitching about stuff you don't want to change hm? Move on to something fresh, maybe you can find a food that tastes so horrific it will make you convert to cannibalism.
(its exceedingly frustrated when someone asks for help but doesn't actually want to help themselves.)
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Post by The Founder on Dec 8, 2006 6:00:27 GMT -5
Stoner, this is Founder.
Remember what we talked about, use the motivation that causes you to complain, as motivation to make a difference. For a brief moment you were ready to do it before you slipped again. I know you feel that nobody is helping you, but when you ask for help, you then shoot it down, your self sabotage is ongoing... and that's why nobody can help you but you. You DO know what to do.
When we fall to the floor, we sometimes need a friend to give us hand getting back up... but they can't do it all by themselves, we need to at least try to give them something to work with. That is the difference between helping someone, and doing everything for someone... people can only help you if there is something which they can actually assist in.
You have complained that there is no point to life, and yet turn your nose up at the prospect of finding your own. And yet you already admitted that there is no logical reason for why you do that. So quite simply, stop it. We came to a conclusion that you might like the goal of ending all suffering, one which you immediately condemned. But meaning you live for can still be anything. That *is* the point of life; to seek your own.
Every time we reach such a pinnacle turning point and you realize this truth, your addiction to depression triggers a reflex mechanism that causes you to sabotage it. Such as the time you told me that having a point is pointless. Clearly an oxymoron with no real thought put into it. You have this insatiable instinct to seek out a reason not to have faith, and that's what you must learn to control. Until then, every solution anyone offers you will not be good enough. You won't LET anyone help.
Now, you can keep chasing yourself round in circles... or you can take a step back, reevaluate the situation... and remember what everyone has told you. It is not about blame, but it is still a fact that only you can fix this - with the support and love of your friends behind you. Which you have. But until you make that first, simplest step out of the darkness, it will always hold you back. This pain is the product of your own fear; the fear of finding happiness and then losing it as you once did before.
You are unable to force yourself to face life because you know that pain is a part of life... but look at yourself. You have already sunk as low as you can go. It can only be up from here, so long as you actually start moving. But at the moment you are intentionally keeping yourself in the pit. Prove that you really want it to be different, and start trying... as you do you will build up that faith you lack, and gain immunity to the pain you fear.
Does a person intentionally cut themselves, then run around complaining how much it hurts? The solution is simple, stop doing it. Now in some cases this takes time, and requires the counseling of whatever issues causes them to do such a thing. But if they won't talk about it, you can't help them. So stop hurting yourself, stop forcing yourself to believe that existence is bad, it's all in your head.
You already know that death won't solve your problems, just as it doesn't for anyone else. You will always be your higher self, with the knowledge and memory of your higher self, and you will always come back to learn the same lesson it wants you to learn, until you do. And that's something you need to remember, there is NO OTHER WAY to do this. No death, no anti-existence.
So why not try something else; life. You haven't really given it a chance before, not whole heartedly... not since you became the person that you now are. Cease unloading the blame onto God, hapless friends, your parents or total strangers, and start to realize the one unavoidable fact:
Only YOU can fix this problem. and the *only* way to do that is to try. There IS no other way, so if you really want us to believe that you want the pain to end, then prove it. Start fixing it. If you put half as much effort into overcoming your problems as you do fighting and arguing to defend them, you would be a very happy person by now.
Try as you might to go back round in circles, that is what it always comes down to, use that effort to right the wrongs instead. So harness your emotions, forge yourself from the hate and pain that you feel anyway... and channel those energies into motivation enough to get the ball rolling. Nobody can do it for you. Stop blaming other people, and accept their help.
You will still try to sabotage yourself, such is your instinct... and there will still be pains ahead, but if you keep focused you will be fine. We all manage well enough, because once you get the ball rolling, those problems don't matter anymore. The bottom line is you want things to change so badly and this is the only way to do it. Set your mind on your goal, and get moving... you can't live at home forever.
You KNOW what you have to do, regardless of what you say to the contrary, and neither these people, nor I, are going to baby you any longer. You have the help you asked for, now it's your turn to help us. You can keep arguing and fighting the facts, but you cannot kill the truth.
Use your motivation, and start fighting back the life that burned you. Force it to be what you want it to be, find a purpose and chase it, never looking back. Only then will you understand what you have been missing. I will not be checking back here, I did so only because fighting against your intentional struggle over messenger, while dealing with the constant internet failing and both ends and you repeatedly signing out/blocking me/storming off or whatever - was making me irate.
Don't bother replying, I won't see it, and nobody will show it to me, if you must reply you can do so over messenger, but rather than concentrate your efforts on fighting me, I suggest you use that time to take in everything that has been said to you. Think on it. YOU want the change, only YOU can make it, use your motivation, Stoner. The hardest lesson we have to learn in this life, is that we still have much to learn.
You want to find the point to life?
You want to end the pain?
PROVE IT.
If you won't do it yourself, then nobody will take you seriously.
Talk to you soon.
~The Founder
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Post by KG on Dec 9, 2006 22:20:49 GMT -5
Thank you Founder... I appreciate your visit to our forum, and you are right about this. Thanx.
Kim
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